What coaches would be 6-0?

[Wylo]

The question is based on a faulty premise. You are asking us to assume that we would build the leads like we did with Butch. There is no guarantee that that would happen. It's odd that Butch gets blamed for "blowing" games, but he get no credit for building the leads to begin with which is required in order to "blow" games.

So congrats Butch for being a half good coach!

 

[99gator]

I think there are coaches that would be getting more production from Dobbs and the receiving corps in the passing game which would take the offense to a different level.

The threat of Hurd and Dobbs should open up the passing game much more than it has, particularly big plays.

Better offense would make life easier for the defense.

The offense lost the Oklahoma and Arkansas games. You can argue the defense and 4th down conversions lost the Florida game, but I think the offense could have done more in that one as well.

JMO

 

[I Love Lamp]

This is silly

Butch Jones shouldn't have lost those games considering the leads he ran out to, let alone what a coach with a proven track record of winning and championships would have done

Please explain to me how the Arkansas game could be blamed on coaching. We we're totally outmaned that game. They dominated time of possession, first Downs, and total yardage that game. The only reason it was close was because Evan ran back the opening kick off.

Stoops just lost to Texas.....let that sink in. I don't know if you we're referring to him or Meyer as the championship caliber coach but the reality is that it doesn't matter who you have calling the shots if the talent isn't there to match that of your opponent. I mean...Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech last year.

I am not denying that we should be 5-1. But 6-0 is a reach.

 

[I Love Lamp]

So none of the coaches on that list could've done any better than what Butch did in the Oklahoma and Florida games? Meyer, Saban, Dantonio, Patterson, et al? All of them would've been responsible for 2 of 3 losses out of 191 this year when having a 13 point lead in the 4th quarter? And none of those elite coaches could've found a way to hang onto, even build on a 14-0 lead to Arky at home....and Arky team that had never won an SEC road game under Bielema in 2+ years?

Gotta strongly disagree.

Did I deny us being 5-1, no...I said 6-0 because that is what the OP asked.

 

[peerless98]

So, other coaches are handed the same leads we had to see if they could hang on to win those three games? Makes a ton of sense! Surely some of the coaching experts on here could have won all three. Several have 20/20 hindsight.

If the moon were made of cheese, would you eat it? Hey, look, we can "what if" all day long.

 

[mreorange]

Butch was released mid-summer this year and a new head coach came in with our same staff. In this scenario we could hire anyone alive. Which coaches would have this team 6-0? I'm behind Butch, just a what if.

Why!
We have a coach!
You scratch and a fart come out of your ear does that make you a shiiiiiiiit head?

 

[BigALWiLson]

Dude, come on now. "Blew" that game? What did he do to "blow" that game? He had the game won when his punter freaked the hell out and caused perhaps the most freakish last second loss in a generation or two. He didn't make any boneheaded calls that led to that loss.

Hello ? Same could be said for Jones, don't you think Medley missed field goal against OK. A few players step up and get out run on a 4th 14. Arkansas out played us.

 

[I Love Lamp]

Know football better

This coming from you is absolutely hilarious.

 

[MrBiggles]

Briles
Patterson
Saban
Miles
Schneider
Tom Osborne
Spurrier (as much as I hate it)
Mora
Meyer
Swinney
Fisher

There is a few

 

[KBVol]

If Williams doesn't fumble going inside the 10 and the coaches don't forget Dobbs can run, Arkansas is a win.

Perhaps. What if we can only get a field goal there and still lose 24-23?

The Arky game, though difficult to stomach given our early 14-0 and 17-14 leads at home vs a team/coach who had never won an SEC road game, was not an egregious, inexcusable loss. That was not a great matchup for us and while I still think we should've won, I think we can live with that loss. The other two though?....100% inexcusable.

 

[southgatevol]

Dude, come on now. "Blew" that game? What did he do to "blow" that game? He had the game won when his punter freaked the hell out and caused perhaps the most freakish last second loss in a generation or two. He didn't make any boneheaded calls that led to that loss.

I am not completely sold on Coach Jones, but if you give Harbaugh a break on not having his punter prepared for that situation, you have to also look at the plays our team could have made to have our record at least 5-1.

 

[Firebirdparts]

I love this forum. It's better'n TV.

 

[YorkVol]

Oh yes I know, I've had to witness the Seahawks losses in person back to back weeks + the swamp game earlier. 😖

Feel sorry for you, 12th man vol.

 

[KBVol]

I am not completely sold on Coach Jones, but if you give Harbaugh a break on not having his punter prepared for that situation, you have to also look at the plays our team could have made to have our record at least 5-1.

Not having his punter prepared? Come on...the kid freaked out, it was the flukiest of fluke plays.

Also, the criticism Butch has rightfully gotten is not about not having his players prepared. They have been prepared, as their early to late leads over some good teams have shown. He gets full marks for coaching his talent well enough to get out in front all of his games save Georgia. The criticism he has gotten is due to his lack of game management and philosophy which has prevented wins/pissed away what should've been wins......or as Daniel Lewis said, produced "come from ahead losses" on the scale that no other coach in college football has this year.

 

[Catbone]

Pinkel
Spurrier
McElwain
Kiffin

Too

 

[Fullfillmer]

Butch was released mid-summer this year and a new head coach came in with our same staff. In this scenario we could hire anyone alive. Which coaches would have this team 6-0? I'm behind Butch, just a what if.

What if Debord wasn't hired and a new oc came in with the same head coach. In this scenario we could hire anyone alive as oc but our budget tops out at $1,250,000. Which oc would have us at 6-0? I think Kiffin might be one that would have us at 6-0.

 

[Zues1]

How about 5-1 and a top 20 rating? Several coaches

 

[BigALWiLson]

Doubtful he doesn't and hasn't had Bama at 6-0. Just saying

 

[KBVol]

Hello ? Same could be said for Jones, don't you think Medley missed field goal against OK. A few players step up and get out run on a 4th 14. Arkansas out played us.

It's not that we lost to Oklahoma, it's how we lost to Oklahoma. Got a big lead and pretty much sat on it and tried to hang on for half the game. Also, missing a field goal, which is common, and doing what Michigan's punter did, which is one of the most "unique" plays ever seen in college football aren't exactly comparable. Harbaugh had done enough with about 10 seconds left in the game to beat Michigan State, until that fluke plays. By contrast, Jones had done enough to get his team a 2 touchdown lead with a half of football to play and pretty much tried to run out the clock offensively. Two completely different scenarios.

 

[montanatenn]

Dooley. Oh you said 6-0, not 0-6. My bad.

 

[KBVol]

Doubtful he doesn't and hasn't had Bama at 6-0. Just saying

Are you referring to Saban? As in, 4-time national championship winning head coach Nick Saban? Actually, he's led his team to a 6-0 start 5 of the last 8 years. Apologies if I've misunderstood the context of your post.

 

[PowerT83]

Houston Nutt and Tommy Tubberville

 

[EZE]

Dude, come on now. "Blew" that game? What did he do to "blow" that game? He had the game won when his punter freaked the hell out and caused perhaps the most freakish last second loss in a generation or two. He didn't make any boneheaded calls that led to that loss.

And Medley hasn't exactly helped Butch out much either. You can't give Harbaugh a pass on his punter and ignore the fact that Butch's kicker has had huge misses in all three of those losses.

 

[Section N Row 5]

It's not that we lost to Oklahoma, it's how we lost to Oklahoma. Got a big lead and pretty much sat on it and tried to hang on for half the game. Also, missing a field goal, which is common, and doing what Michigan's punter did, which is one of the most "unique" plays ever seen in college football aren't exactly comparable. Harbaugh had done enough with about 10 seconds left in the game to beat Michigan State, until that fluke plays. By contrast, Jones had done enough to get his team a 2 touchdown lead with a half of football to play and pretty much tried to run out the clock offensively. Two completely different scenarios.

That is not entirely true, UT called more pass plays in the second half of OK game than they did in the first half. If you can't see that sometimes a player has to make a play, don't know what to tell you.

As for Florida, I'm sorry but if a team goes 5 for 5 on 4th downs they should win on principle. Again sometimes players need to make plays.

As for the Michigan game, the two punts before the last one had bad snaps. Go back and watch if you don't believe, He should have told his punter that if you get a bad snap, just fall on it.

If you think any coach, coached a perfect game every game that went an entire season without a lose, I have no idea how to help. Sometimes things just don't go your way. There is no reason Saban should have lost to a sorry Ole Miss team. Saban should have never lost to Auburn in the kick six game.

some of you guys have forgotten this is a team sport and that there are many reasons for a loss and sometimes wins come with luck.

 

[KBVol]

And Medley hasn't exactly helped Butch out much either. You can't give Harbaugh a pass on his punter and ignore the fact that Butch's kicker has had huge misses in all three of those losses.

Medley hasn't had "huge" misses that cost Tennessee a game that Butch and the team had secured. And he certainly hasn't done anything remotely like that punter which directly resulted in 7 points for the other team.

Medley missed his fg vs Oklahoma with Tennessee up 17-3 in the third. While it's true, in hindsight, that a successful fg
there would've been enough to win the game in regulation, if Tennessee hadn't been as conservative and predictable as they were to only produce 4 total second half yards after the first two plays of the third quarter, we likely wouldn't even be talking about an Oklahoma loss...much less a missed Medley fg in the third quarter.

Also, are you really gonna fault Medley for missing a last second 55 yard fg attempt after the God-awful clock management by Jones that produced 4 offensive plays (with 2 timeouts remaining) the last 1:26 of the game? Surely you're not. Jones' inept game management lost that game vs Florida...not Medley's very nearly make from almost midfield.