What are your areas of confidence or concern for Oregon?

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mgu7 said:
Wilcox who shut down Oregon last year with 150 total yards, 1/10 3rd down conversion, 6 first downs, and 8 points.
he'll stop the spread attack that Monte could ever dream of stopping.
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Veteran personnel is what the Broncos had that the Vols don't. They'd also played them the year before last, which from a scheming standpoint helps. You can scheme all you want, but if you don't have the players it doesn't matter. I'm not saying Tennessee doesn't have a talented defense, but they're very young and Oregon's offense is a very experienced and deep group of guys.
 
#52
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I tend to agree with those saying this isn't the worst matchup for Tennessee. Oregon's lack of a punishing inside game will certainly keep this from getting out of hand. That said, I still don't think this ends up being closer than a two touchdown game.

Also, Matt Simms needs to figure out how to keep the ball down in a hurry.
 
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#53
How similar is Oregon and UF with their spread versions?

The few Oregon clips I saw yesterday, and have seen over the last few years remind me a lot of the way UF operates.
 
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What bothers me the most about the Oregon offense is the speed of their running attack and how they disguise run blocking. One of their running plays starts with the offensive line setting up zone blocking to one side (mis direction) and then the running back cuts back behind a block by 6’ 7”, 322 lb Mark Asper (RT). To slow this down, M. Jackson will have to use speed to blow up running plays in the back field and our safeties will have to play tight run support. Their defense will be disruptive.

The Oregon defense is experienced and they run many complex stunts. I think that showing the I formation and then shifting to a no-back attack (and shotgun), and getting a mismatch with Stocker on an LB might work. Go Vols.
 
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the6chambers said:
That's why I'm asking...everyone has something to say about their offense, but is there any knowledge of their defense?
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They return 8 starters from last season (in which they led the Pac-10 in least yards allowed per play).

They mostly run the 3-4, emphasizing speedy linebackers and deceptive blitzing. You will see ends dropping into coverage so that linebackers or safeties can blitz.

mgu7 said:
Wilcox who shut down Oregon last year with 150 total yards, 1/10 3rd down conversion, 6 first downs, and 8 points.
he'll stop the spread attack that Monte could ever dream of stopping.
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I agree that Wilcox is a better college DC than Monte. But, I think his ability to stop Oregon is over-blown.

The first game, Oregon was moving the ball fine against him until Masoli was knocked out of the game on a late hit and Oregon didn't have a serviceable back-up.

In the second game, it looked like Wilcox gambled on throwing everything at the run game. For some reason Masoli couldn't throw a catchable ball to save his life in that game. Watch that game and count the number of errant passes thrown.

I expect Wilcox to go after the run game like this again since Oregon has a new QB. But, would be surprised if Thomas has as bad of a passing day as Masoli did. Plus, Oregon's run game has changed and improved since then.

Volfan94 said:
I see Oregon coming into this game with a big head underestimating us. That spells trouble for them if they do.
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I doubt it. Kelly seems to be getting the one day at a time message across to the team well.

emainvol said:
I tend to agree with those saying this isn't the worst matchup for Tennessee. Oregon's lack of a punishing inside game will certainly keep this from getting out of hand. That said, I still don't think this ends up being closer than a two touchdown game.
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I'm not sure why a lack of a punishing inside game should matter? Oregon's offensive scheme isn't designed to have one and has worked fairly well without it.

BeecherVol said:
How similar is Oregon and UF with their spread versions?

The few Oregon clips I saw yesterday, and have seen over the last few years remind me a lot of the way UF operates.
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They have each changed year to year. In recent years, UF has run more on the inside than Oregon and goes to pro-style pocket passing more often. Oregon's passing attack has been more about screens and other short passes that get the ball out of the pocket quickly.

Oregon uses what they call a TAZR position where a guy (Kenjon Barner) lines up and motions anywhere between WR, RB, SLOT. UF did something similar when they had Percy Harvin.

This year, it looks like Oregon is going to use the triple option, which is new for them. They used it in yesterdays game but never went to the 3rd option of the QB running. I expect him to run against UT.
 
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I was very impressed with our offensive Line play. We can dictate this game if we ground and pound and the D contains.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
They have each changed year to year. In recent years, UF has run more on the inside than Oregon and goes to pro-style pocket passing more often. Oregon's passing attack has been more about screens and other short passes that get the ball out of the pocket quickly.
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UF never ran a pro-style offense (in recent years). Their main formation was the spread with the QB in shotgun; with a single back. Almost all of their running plays were based on variations of the inside zone, with a QB read (like an option). Most of their more successful running plays were based on unloading their speed on the perimeter (not up the middle).

Many of our defensive players will be somewhat familiar with what Oregon brings to the table.
 
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Oregon ran a very very vanilla offense yesterday.

Im sure they will open it up more this week.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
I'm not sure why a lack of a punishing inside game should matter? Oregon's offensive scheme isn't designed to have one and has worked fairly well without it.
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Tennessee has absolute no depth on the interior defensive line and plenty of speed to compete with anything on the edges. Oregon doesn't have the ability to exploit the obvious deficiencies. I think they win, but it will be because Tennessee wears out late.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
I'm mainly concerned with our rush defense and our passing game. Simms stares down his receivers too much and seemed to be behind them all night. I was hoping our defensive line would be more disruptive against Martin as well. It will be a tough fought game against Oregon
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OMG Dang I dont think I ever seen a QB stare down a reciver like what I saw on the field last night. I was front row and tellin my buddy the numbers to the guy he was about to throw to. Hope we dont go against alot of Ball Hawks!!!
 
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#66
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Many have said it but I do feel better about our open field tackling and our linebackers. Our DE's wreaked havoc but it was UTM. Oku seemed to be a great all around back and a great change of pace. Cooper is nasty and we need to utilize him as much as possible.

I felt a little worse about our O line. I know we have been talking about it ad nauseam but I expected better against UTM in the run game and in pass protection. I didn't feel that great about Poole's ability to break tackles. Stocker showed me nothing. Hopefully that was by design and hopefully we were using him to block. The 3 balls that went his way went through his hands. I know they weren't perfectly thrown but if it hit's you in the hands....

Matt Sims looked pretty solid. His release was a little slow and the ball floated on him many times. The WR's looked good but again, it was UTM. The secondary was to hard grade against the weak opponent.
 
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the6chambers said:
I hear talk of their speed, watched some film and they are fairly fast.

What about our defense against their offense? Are there areas where we have advantage/disadvantage?

What about our offense? I don't know much about their defense...

And special teams?
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concerns:

difference in talent

Difference in depth

Difference in experience

difference in speed

advantage:

thier having to travel but doubt it has much impact...


Most UT fans have mis-analyzed this game for 6 months. We have a better change versus Florida than Orgeon..
 
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T_man_J said:
UF never ran a pro-style offense (in recent years). Their main formation was the spread with the QB in shotgun; with a single back.
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I wasn't meaning that they run a pro-style offense. I was saying that their passing game (ie. the routes their receivers run and time the QB spends in the pocket) is more similar to pro-style approaches than Oregon.

T_man_J said:
Almost all of their running plays were based on variations of the inside zone, with a QB read (like an option). Most of their more successful running plays were based on unloading their speed on the perimeter (not up the middle).
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Not according to studies of their offense, based on video, as seen at places like here: Smart Football

Their base read option package with Tebow used spread formations to help open up inside lanes.

More recently, Florida has begun running more of the traditional "counter-trey" play so popular in the pros. The difference here is that it involves two pulling players: one who traps the defensive end and the other who pulls and leads. Indeed, this is another play showing how Florida's offense is just the translation of traditional concepts to new sets.
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http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/12/florida-gatorurban-meyer-offense.html

Oregon does not run traditional concepts in new sets. It is not new but also not traditional concepts in new sets. It's different than Florida's spread.

emainvol said:
Tennessee has absolute no depth on the interior defensive line and plenty of speed to compete with anything on the edges. Oregon doesn't have the ability to exploit the obvious deficiencies. I think they win, but it will be because Tennessee wears out late.
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I don't think a defense has to be deficient in an area in order for an offense to be successful there. USC wasn't deficient in any area in terms of talent. But, Oregon ran all over them inside and out last year.
 
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LWSVOL said:
concerns:

difference in talent

Difference in depth

Difference in experience

difference in speed

advantage:

thier having to travel but doubt it has much impact...


Most UT fans have mis-analyzed this game for 6 months. We have a better change versus Florida than Orgeon..
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I tend to agree with this. cautiously optimistic. Hoping UT can win...but knowing deep in my mind it probably will not happen.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
I'm mainly concerned with our rush defense and our passing game. Simms stares down his receivers too much and seemed to be behind them all night. I was hoping our defensive line would be more disruptive against Martin as well. It will be a tough fought game against Oregon
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I wasn't overly impressed with Simms but at least his errant throws were not where the opponent could get them. I'd rather him over throw the receiver than force it into coverage for a pick 6. I like our RB's they seemed to be able to hit the edge and make yardage. Our linebackers impressed too. I am concerned about our line getting tired O or D.
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wheaton4prez said:
I wasn't meaning that they run a pro-style offense. I was saying that their passing game (ie. the routes their receivers run and time the QB spends in the pocket) is more similar to pro-style approaches than Oregon.
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All major unis run passing routes based on the passing tree, so yes, this is true (for the SEC).

My main assertion is that Tennessee has seen talent, speed, and option-type plays based on the QB making hot reads; I don’t think that Oregon will present anything different in this area. I do believe that Oregon is a run-first type offense. If we are successful at stuffing the run, Oregon will have to go to the passing game. If this scenario develops, we will have the advantage (in terms of matchups).

The one thing that bothers me about Oregon is how well they take advantage of defenses that overreact to their schemes.
 
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T_man_J said:
The one thing that bothers me about Oregon is how well they take advantage of defenses that overreact to their schemes.
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I'm not sure you'll see the Vols overreact much...and I'm not sure it will help.

What's their defense like?
 
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UTvol1fn said:
I'm mainly concerned with our rush defense and our passing game. Simms stares down his receivers too much and seemed to be behind them all night. I was hoping our defensive line would be more disruptive against Martin as well. It will be a tough fought game against Oregon
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I was a little concerned by this too. I think Hinshaw and Chaney will work to correct this week.
 
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