What are they going to do?

[BeardedVol]

That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt hire, you wouldn't have liked the Dabo hire either.

Again, there's nothing about the Dabo hire by year 3, that is even remotely similar to what we've seen under Pruitt at the same point.

Whether I liked the hire or not in the beginning, is irrelevant to the body of work Pruitt has accrued so far, which is nothing similar Dabo's.

 

[VolFaninFla]

That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt hire, you wouldn't have liked the Dabo hire either.

You have a very suspect definition of “fact”

Fact: noun. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

 

[landscapingvol]

Let’s see how Pruitt follows up this stellar year after losing the only olineman that is usually capable of blocking, more than likely the only db capable of covering a wr, the only reliable wr, and the only pass rusher. We will probably be ok at wr next season assuming we have a qb that can complete a pass but losing arguably two of the top players on a mediocre at best defense will be challenging.

 

[BeecherVol]

Again, there's nothing about the Dabo hire by year 3, that is even remotely similar to what we've seen under Pruitt at the same point.

Whether I liked the hire or not in the beginning, is irrelevant to the body of work Pruitt has accrued so far, which is nothing similar Dabo's.

Again, Im not talking about year 3 comparisons. If you want to have that conversation evidently there are "several" here that will engage you.

Im talking about the straight up comparison day 1 hires.

I totally disagree on the relevance when you go back and read why Pruitt shouldn't have been hired here to begin with. It started and ended with the fact he wasn't a proven winner as a HC. Dabo wasn't either.

 

[BeecherVol]

He was in the ACC title game in two of his first three years, winning one. If Pruitt had done that here there would be a street named after him already. His worst season after his 6-7 season is 10 wins. His worst finish beyond year 3 is 15th. He's finished in the top 10 7 of the last 8 years.

Beginning to wonder if anyone is even trying to read what is typed anymore.

 

[JACK8254]

i DONT understand why so many players are worse this year compared to last. I cant think of a position group that is better this year than the last 5 games of 19. People complained that butch didn't develope guys ( true) , but this staff isn't doing any better. Can u blame it on Covid after 5 games?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

There is if you look a little deeper than the score of one particular game. It is not going doom us to a terrible season and it certainly does change the fact that the roster has been transformed from a MAC roster which won games on mircles and gimicks to legitimate SEC roster full of beef and speed. The real problem this year has been the turnovers, that has to stop. Without the turnovers everthing changes.

Pruitts recruiting is concerning and his development in year 3 is alarming.

 

[BeecherVol]

You have a very suspect definition of “fact”

Fact: noun. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

Feel free to explain that if you would like.

 

[BeardedVol]

Again, Im not talking about year 3 comparisons. If you want to have that conversation evidently there are "several" here that will engage you.

Im talking about the straight up comparison day 1 hires.

I totally disagree on the relevance when you go back and read why Pruitt shouldn't have been hired here to begin with. It started and ended with the fact he wasn't a proven winner as a HC. Dabo wasn't either.

Day 1 HC was afte he went 4-3 as interem HC for 7 games, that saw him firing Bowden's OC as his first action as interim HC.

You know how many of those losses as interim HC were blowouts of 3+ scores? Zero.

I'd say most Clemson fans were relatively happy with him getting the permanent HC nod.

Pruitt Day 1, on the other hand is a DC with zero HC experience, zero experience rebuilding a team, and given that his longest stint at any university was 2 seasons, little experience in taking freshman players and developing them.

So yeah, we should have all been much more suspect of Pruitt on 'day 1' than Clemson fans were of Dabo.

 

[TennVols12]

There will be still plenty to complain about when the Vols are 9-3 and still getting blown out by Bama, georgia, and Florida but normie fans are like “the Vols are doing so amazing now!!!!”

This would make us the East version of Texas A&M

 

[Firebirdparts]

What are The Legion of Miserables going to do when we put it all together and start whipping tail? A lot of screen names will be changed that's for sure. I don't think the hardcore Negavols will be able to handle it and will become Georgia fans, the original Legion of Misery.

My experience with the genetically unhappy is that there is always something to be unhappy about. If all else fails, my wife gets unhappy about stuff she imagines.

 

[rikberry31]

Full of beef and speed?? I will give you they are bigger on the oline but what has that produced? The dline certainly isn’t bigger and we still produce zero pressure. The offense still cannot move the ball consistently and our pass defense is atrocious. The only category that we even crack the top 8 in the SEC is kick returns.

We are getting the Jimmies and Joes, we can work on the x's and o's

 

[Smartvol17]

We are getting the Jimmies and Joes, we can work on the x's and o's

Not true, even with next year’s class we’re still only going to be 5th-6th in the SEC in terms of talent

 

[Volsfaninva917]

We are getting the Jimmies and Joes, we can work on the x's and o's

Except Pruitts recruiting isn't all that great and hasn't been since he got here

 

[Rickyvol77]

Better question is what are those with their heads buried in the sand going to do now? Can you seriously be "positive" about what we're seeing?

There are at least 3 camps. Negavols... a sometimes loud minority who truly won't be happy. Posivols... who think that refusing to see problems will make them go away.... a sometimes condescending minority. Realistic fans... who are willing to see both the positive and negative then reasonably discuss both/either.

The issue is this group is probably the majority, but since they aren't as vocal, they get caught in the middle of the two idiotic groups...sort of like politics currently

 

[VolFaninFla]

Feel free to explain that if you would like.

That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt hire, you wouldn't have liked the Dabo hire either.

What I meant is that you do not really know that that is a fact. You may think it’s true but that is a stretch.
Not trying to bust your chops. We all want the Vols to do well.

 

[VolArmy74]

Beginning to wonder if anyone is even trying to read what is typed anymore.

You said that as late as 2014 Dabo was somehow questionable as Clemson's head coach, while implying that we would be unsatisfied with his record here to that point. 2014 he'd just finished off his 4th 10+ win season in a row, had back to back 11 win seasons in there and finished in the top 10 twice. There was in fact, strong evidence by looking at how rapidly he got Clemson rolling and how well he did at recruiting, that he was indeed an elite coach. His career trajectory is similar to Urban Meyer's and Saban's.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

What are The Legion of Miserables going to do when we put it all together and start whipping tail? A lot of screen names will be changed that's for sure. I don't think the hardcore Negavols will be able to handle it and will become Georgia fans, the original Legion of Misery.

Probably follow the lead of K-Town and Pulaski and just disappear. They've barely been seen since JGs KY performance

 

[BeecherVol]

Day 1 HC was afte he went 4-3 as interem HC for 7 games, that saw him firing Bowden's OC as his first action as interim HC.

You know how many of those losses as interim HC were blowouts of 3+ scores? Zero.

I'd say most Clemson fans were relatively happy with him getting the permanent HC nod.

Pruitt Day 1, on the other hand is a DC with zero HC experience, zero experience rebuilding a team, and given that his longest stint at any university was 2 seasons, little experience in taking freshman players and developing them.

So yeah, we should have all been much more suspect of Pruitt on 'day 1' than Clemson fans were of Dabo.

Eh. Bowden was fired after losing 3 straight games by a total of 10 points. Its not like he was getting run off the field either. His worse loss that season was the first game of the year to Bama who finished 12-2.
Bowden was fired after winning 64% of his games at Clemson, not a great number but he wasn't terrible. The 3 seasons prior he won 9, 8, and 8. Dabo finished his interim half season at 4-3 winning 57% of his games.

Dabo didn't create some stark contrast in 7 games between himself and the guy he replaced. He was still an gamble after the interim tag was removed. It paid off big in the long run but there wasn't some major difference between Pruitt and Dabo when they were hired full time.

 

[BeecherVol]

You said that as late as 2014 Dabo was somehow questionable as Clemson's head coach, while implying that we would be unsatisfied with his record here to that point. 2014 he'd just finished off his 4th 10+ win season in a row, had back to back 11 win seasons in there and finished in the top 10 twice. There was in fact, strong evidence by looking at how rapidly he got Clemson rolling and how well he did at recruiting, that he was indeed an elite coach. His career trajectory is similar to Urban Meyer's and Saban's.

False.
This is what I said.

And I don't think anyone knew he was going to have the 5 year (probably 6 after this season) run that he has had even as late as the 2014 season. At that point he had gone 3 straight years without winning the conference again. To that point he was a good coach but not an elite one.

To the part about us being unsatisfied, I made a joke about UT giving him a lifetime contract after winning his division and the fans wanting him fired after following that up with a 6-7 record the next year. Well, I was somewhat joking, history prevents that from being a joke in full.

That "strong" evidence also included 11 losses between 2011 and 2014 by an average of 20 points.
Now before you get confused, Im not saying that he wasn't considered successful during those years or up to that point at all. What I am saying is losing 11 games by an average of 20 points tells me you re not on the heels of the best teams in college football. All of which was included in the statement above in quotes.
He broke through in 2015 and has never looked back and has sustained greatness since then..

 

[BeecherVol]

That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt That's fine. Its not gonna change how either of us look at it. And I don't think it even touches the bigger point anyway which is the fact that if you didn't like the Pruitt hire, you wouldn't have liked the Dabo hire either.

What I meant is that you do not really know that that is a fact. You may think it’s true but that is a stretch.
Not trying to bust your chops. We all want the Vols to do well.

Its not that big of a stretch. Its easy for everybody to call Dabo a great hire after the fact.

Had UT fired Jones midseason after starting 3-3 and Kevin Beard was given the interim tag and was given the job after finishing the season 4-3 I serious doubt those in this conversation are calling that a hire they are happy with.

Absolutely agree with the last statement. If I can use the word absolute. Lol

 

[VolArmy74]

False.
This is what I said.


To the part about us being unsatisfied, I made a joke about UT giving him a lifetime contract after winning his division and the fans wanting him fired after following that up with a 6-7 record the next year. Well, I was somewhat joking.

That "strong" evidence also included 11 losses between 2011 and 2014 by an average of 20 points.
Now before you get confused, Im not saying that he wasn't considered successful during those years or up to that point at all. What I am saying is losing 11 games by an average of 20 points tells me you re not on the heels of the best teams in college football. All of which was included in the statement above in quotes.
He broke through in 2015 and has never looked back and has sustained greatness since then..

I like how you say "by an average of 20 points there". He lost 51-14 to national champion Florida State in one of those losses, another was 70-33 in his first 10 win season in 2011, another 37-13 in 2011. I think those may skewer the average a little bit. Fact is, since 2012 he has lost 3 games total by more than 20 points. During the stretch you mentioned he lost 23-17 in overtime to #1 Florida State, Beat a top 5 Georgia team, beat #7 Ohio State with Urban Meyer coaching them, beat Bob Stoops and Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, beat a top 10 South Carolina team coached by Spurrier, a top 5 Virginia Tech team coached by Frank Beamer, beat a top 10 LSU team coached by Miles that had only lost by a touchdown to a top 10 Florida team at Florida and #1/NC Alabama by 4. He had back to back 11 win seasons in that stretch, the best by Clemson at the time in over 30 years.

Pruitt isn't remotely competitive to teams and coaches of that caliber.

 

[hexnut]

Hey OP Are you hosting the Pruitt Christmas dinner at your house year?

 

[BeardedVol]

Eh. Bowden was fired after losing 3 straight games by a total of 10 points. Its not like he was getting run off the field either. His worse loss that season was the first game of the year to Bama who finished 12-2.
Bowden was fired after winning 64% of his games at Clemson, not a great number but he wasn't terrible. The 3 seasons prior he won 9, 8, and 8. Dabo finished his interim half season at 4-3 winning 57% of his games.

Dabo didn't create some stark contrast in 7 games between himself and the guy he replaced. He was still an gamble after the interim tag was removed. It paid off big in the long run but there wasn't some major difference between Pruitt and Dabo when they were hired full time.

Bowden got fired because Clemson was the unanimous pick for winning the ACC, and he and Rob Spence couldn't put together a game plan that actually involved scoring points on any team with a pulse.

 

[BeecherVol]

I like how you say "by an average of 20 points there". He lost 51-14 to national champion Florida State in one of those losses, another was 70-33 in his first 10 win season in 2011, another 37-13 in 2011. I think those may skewer the average a little bit. Fact is, since 2012 he has lost 3 games total by more than 20 points. During the stretch you mentioned he lost 23-17 in overtime to #1 Florida State, Beat a top 5 Georgia team, beat #7 Ohio State with Urban Meyer coaching them, beat Bob Stoops and Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, beat a top 10 South Carolina team coached by Spurrier, a top 5 Virginia Tech team coached by Frank Beamer, beat a top 10 LSU team coached by Miles that had only lost by a touchdown to a top 10 Florida team at Florida and #1/NC Alabama by 4. He had back to back 11 win seasons in that stretch, the best by Clemson at the time in over 30 years.

Pruitt isn't remotely competitive to teams and coaches of that caliber.

Correct.
Before 2015 he was a good coach that won a lot of football games over a 4 year stretch. But when he lost, he got ran off the field.
In 2015 he took the next step and proved he could put a great season together and since then has proven he has built and sustained an elite program by win 2 NCs. And he's in position for a 3rd.

Haven't made in claims to the contrary on Pruitt. But post that again if makes you feel better I suppose.