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Hanging onto a football coach that hadn't met fan expectations early on that ended up ruining or setting them back for years?

There may be dozens of examples and I am honestly curious who they are.

I suppose I could research it but figure there will be some on here who can quickly answer it and save me the effort. 😎😎
 
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bama before saban. texas and mack brown. iowa presently.
 
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TNinSC said:
bama before saban. texas and mack brown. iowa presently.
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Who did Bama hang onto too long? Stallings?

I was always of the opinion they fired him too soon and ended up with a string of terrible hires.

Texas is likely a good example but to date it remains to be seen if they are better off.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Hanging onto a football coach that hadn't met fan expectations early on that ended up ruining or setting them back for years?

There may be dozens of examples and I am honestly curious who they are.

I suppose I could research it but figure there will be some on here who can quickly answer it and save me the effort. 😎😎
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My favorite example is Georgia's Ray Goff. A decade earlier, UGA had been NC. He struggled to hit 0.500 and never had a winning record in the SEC. Spurrier's Florida team beat him by 52 ... at UGA. The first school ever to smack them that bad.

Should never have been hired really. I think he sells tires today.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Who did Bama hang onto too long? Stallings?

I was always of the opinion they fired him too soon and ended up with a string of terrible hires.

Texas is likely a good example but to date it remains to be seen if they are better off.
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Stallings resigned, he wasn't fired.
 
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As much as I like him, Bobby Bowden probably stuck around 5-6 years too long. He certainly didn’t ruin the program, but they slipped down to a consistent 7-8 win team his last few years.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Hanging onto a football coach that hadn't met fan expectations early on that ended up ruining or setting them back for years?

There may be dozens of examples and I am honestly curious who they are.

I suppose I could research it but figure there will be some on here who can quickly answer it and save me the effort. 😎😎
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On the opposite perspective: The Rooney's wanted to fire Bill Cowher in Pittsburgh because he lost to Buffalo 4 times in the play offs.
In the end, they decided to keep him a little longer and it worked out that they make it to the SuperBowl in 1995. They lost the Super Bowl to ( Dallas' ) best player, Neil O'Donnell.
 
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Penn State held on to Paterno for way too long.

Jim Tressel at tOSU.

Neither of those really fits the OP's criteria, though.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Hanging onto a football coach that hadn't met fan expectations early on that ended up ruining or setting them back for years?

There may be dozens of examples and I am honestly curious who they are.

I suppose I could research it but figure there will be some on here who can quickly answer it and save me the effort. 😎😎
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Depends on what you call success. VT's expectations weren't very high but Beamer didn't start strong. You could argue that Pinkel succeeded after many mediocre to bad years... but that requires you to think winning the East during that period was "success".

I actually used this as a challenge a couple of years back.

It is VERY rare for a coach not to do something significant like win 10 games within the first 3 years then go on to coach for championships. There may have been a couple of other examples but Beamer is the one I remember.

To "succeed", a coach has to have talent. But they can fail even if they have talent and a bad starting point. Jones had a bad starting point so success was a stretch even if he had talent... which he doesn't appear to have.


One of the best reasons to act on Jones this year is that he would leave a good roster for the next coach to build on. That will not likely be the case in 2 years.
 
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Boston Vol said:
As much as I like him, Bobby Bowden probably stuck around 5-6 years too long. He certainly didn’t ruin the program, but they slipped down to a consistent 7-8 win team his last few years.
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This is the best example but as long as FSU was semi competitive it would have been a PR nightmare to fire the guy that led you from obscurity to prominence.

I think Paterno is a good example of a similar situation. Obviously the criminal he allowed to continue coaching is an entirely different issue but Parerno like Bowden probably would have helped their schools if they had gracefully stepped down a few years sooner.
 
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I can't think of a situation that set the program back for years. It was due to making a bad replacement hire.

There are more situations where the program was set back because someone was fired who probably shouldn't have been.

Frank solich - Nebraska
Les Miles - LSU (to be determined)
 
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Rudy123 said:
On the opposite perspective: The Rooney's wanted to fire Bill Cowher in Pittsburgh because he lost to Buffalo 4 times in the play offs.
In the end, they decided to keep him a little longer and it worked out that they make it to the SuperBowl in 1995. They lost the Super Bowl to ( Dallas' ) best player, Neil O'Donnell.
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Apples and oranges. The players you get in the NFL depends on finances and your GM's ability to hire the right guys. You can get good players if you are willing to pay for them.

In CFB, losers don't get the top recruits. Coaches on hot seats do not get top recruits. If you do not show you are clearly on the rise within usually 3 years... recruits stop listening. They go to the successful programs or the "next hot coach".
 
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Bob Neyland said:
My favorite example is Georgia's Ray Goff. A decade earlier, UGA had been NC. He struggled to hit 0.500 and never had a winning record in the SEC. Spurrier's Florida team beat him by 52 ... at UGA. The first school ever to smack them that bad.

Should never have been hired really. I think he sells tires today.
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Ray Goff...son of Jack. I never get tired of making that joke.
 
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99gator said:
I can't think of a situation that set the program back for years. It was due to making a bad replacement hire.

There are more situations where the program was set back because someone was fired who probably shouldn't have been.

Frank solich - Nebraska
Les Miles - LSU (to be determined)
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It pains me to give a like to anyone with "gator" in their name, but dammit he's right. Fulmer should also be on that list.
 
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