What a shame when Dooley goes

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treedogvol

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Ya boy,,,, why is it that these colleges like ut can take a coach, coaching at gooberville community college making 200k a year and bring them to ut and give them 1.5 million a year thinking that big money will make them winners. Give the extra money to the guy working in the cafeteria that only makes minimunm wage at the university of tennessee... After all it could be a veteran football player down there cleaning off tables...,
 
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Your sympathy is misplaced. UT took a guy making $400K a year at a low-tier college and handed him the brass ring. Dooley will make almost $11 million for three years of historically poor performance, including completely dividing, then alienating, the fanbase. He got a shot at his dream of coaching in the SEC-- something most coaches never get-- was given the largest recruiting budget in the SEC, the nicest facilities and all the resources he needed to hire any coaching staff he chose. He controlled his own destiny. Seriously, who got the bad end of the deal?
 
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There is no reason to feel sorry for Dooley.. He's making a lot of money and will get paid plenty to leave...
 
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Failure hurts, I don't cared how much padding your wallet has. I feel for him and his family, just as I felt for Philip Fulmer and Randy Sanders. But Fulmer and Sanders are both doing fine. The Dooleys will be fine too.
 
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I don't hate on Dooley for taking the shot at the big time, I would have done the same. The sad fact is that the results are not there. It's the same in the real world, produce or get replaced. No matter how nice and sweet the waitress, if she keeps dropping your order shes got to go.
 
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I'm a conservative to the core. I'm probably just to the right of Atilla the Hun. By my nature, I don't like radical change. That said,

-I hated it when Coach Dickey left
-I even felt bad for Coach Battle when he left
-I was not so upset when Coach Majors "resigned"
-I really thought Fulmer's firing was a mess
-I bought into the Kiffin fiasco and was mad when he ran off
-I thought Dooley was a good hire under the situation

Now, I'm ready to move on. I have been a hard core Dooley supporter because I'm not part of the "NOW" generation. I knew it would take time. It has. I don't blame Derek Dooley for the mess and applaud him for building a base. But the core fan base as well as part of the team is lost and the only way out is a TOP SHELF move. It would piss me off beyond belief if Hart announced some idiotic coaching search. He owes it to everyone to be better than his idiot predecessor. He should absolutely know who the next coach will be before he makes any announcement. He also must act as soon as that decision is made and not let Dooley swing at the end of a rope.
 
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treedogvol said:
Ya boy,,,, why is it that these colleges like ut can take a coach, coaching at gooberville community college making 200k a year and bring them to ut and give them 1.5 million a year thinking that big money will make them winners. Give the extra money to the guy working in the cafeteria that only makes minimunm wage at the university of tennessee... After all it could be a veteran football player down there cleaning off tables...,
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IMO Don't think we hired him to coach. Think we thought he could but he can't. Hired him to build a model and clean up the program administratively to avoid probation. Look at what we were going through with CBP and investigation. Dooley will end up as an AD somewhere. I now believe he was hired because of his administrative skills.
 
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I think he's a good guy, and is trying his best, but I don't think he can be a HC of a top sec team.
 
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LA Vol said:
Your sympathy is misplaced. UT took a guy making $400K a year at a low-tier college and handed him the brass ring. Dooley will make almost $11 million for three years of historically poor performance, including completely dividing, then alienating, the fanbase. He got a shot at his dream of coaching in the SEC-- something most coaches never get-- was given the largest recruiting budget in the SEC, the nicest facilities and all the resources he needed to hire any coaching staff he chose. He controlled his own destiny. Seriously, who got the bad end of the deal?
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I did say KINDA as in not really.. 11 million for 3 years is ridiculous.. Dooleys coaching history is 4 years as assistant at LUS, 2 years as assistant at miami dolphins 2 years as head coach at LA teck with a loosing record in 2009 and be hired at UT and make 11 million for 3 years....FOR LOOSING .... the system is broke when this crap happens and a man works in the cafeteria at ut and makes $7.65 hr.
 
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sudden impact said:
imo don't think we hired him to coach. Think we thought he could but he can't. Hired him to build a model and clean up the program administratively to avoid probation. Look at what we were going through with cbp and investigation. Dooley will end up as an ad somewhere. I now believe he was hired because of his administrative skills.
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im going fishing ,,, and i agree with you ... Hart should resign today as well as dooley...these men have big one to suck up this much money and look people in the face, they have the suckup the money skill.
 
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treedogvol said:
im going fishing ,,, and i agree with you ... Hart should resign today as well as dooley...these men have big one to suck up this much money and look people in the face, they have the suckup the money skill.
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1. Hire a coach
2. Fire the current AD
3. Promote Dooley to AD
4. Announce new coach
 
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I have been in his corner for some time now BUT like most of you all I realize he is in over his head.
It really bothers me that he didn't work out. Classy guy that knows and respects the SEC. He respects our history and poured his heart into bringing us back. Sure wished things would have worked out different.
Now to start at the foundation once again rebuilding a battered program. Will it end anytime soon??
 
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I feel exactly the same way. I wanted Dools to be successful. But he isn't and so we must move on asap. As of next Monday, he should resign. And it will take us another 3-4 years with a new guy.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
I feel exactly the same way. I wanted Dools to be successful. But he isn't and so we must move on asap. As of next Monday, he should resign. And it will take us another 3-4 years with a new guy.
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Resigning would cost him a couple million. Getting fired would pay him several million.

He ain't resigning.
 
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Pooods said:
I have been in his corner for some time now BUT like most of you all I realize he is in over his head.
It really bothers me that he didn't work out. Classy guy that knows and respects the SEC. He respects our history and poured his heart into bringing us back. Sure wished things would have worked out different.
Now to start at the foundation once again rebuilding a battered program. Will it end anytime soon??
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The next coach that comes here will have it easy compared to what Dools inherited. That new coach should thank Dools every chance he gets for doing all the hard stuff so that he can come in and reap the benefits.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
I feel exactly the same way. I wanted Dools to be successful. But he isn't and so we must move on asap. As of next Monday, he should resign. And it will take us another 3-4 years with a new guy.
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It won't take 3-4 years if we spend the kind of money that other successful programs realise you have to spend to get a great coach.
 
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Pooods said:
I have been in his corner for some time now BUT like most of you all I realize he is in over his head.
It really bothers me that he didn't work out. Classy guy that knows and respects the SEC. He respects our history and poured his heart into bringing us back. Sure wished things would have worked out different.
Now to start at the foundation once again rebuilding a battered program. Will it end anytime soon??
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When your team haslost 12 of the last 13 SEC games, you have no where to go but up. I was hoping Dooman would make this year cause the alternative is bad- OK. But, UT has no other option- we cant go on like this.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
I feel exactly the same way. I wanted Dools to be successful. But he isn't and so we must move on asap. As of next Monday, he should resign. And it will take us another 3-4 years with a new guy.
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If you hire the right guy it will not take that long. We do have talent here, Hire someone who can coach them up and is a good recruiter and you will see. How long has Muschamp been at Florida? 2 years I think they are undefeated.
 
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Pooods said:
I have been in his corner for some time now BUT like most of you all I realize he is in over his head.
It really bothers me that he didn't work out. Classy guy that knows and respects the SEC. He respects our history and poured his heart into bringing us back. Sure wished things would have worked out different.
Now to start at the foundation once again rebuilding a battered program. Will it end anytime soon??
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If Dooley is fired after this year with only 2 recruiting classes to call his own, the remnants of Tennessee football will best be compared to Tennessee football of 1894, 1895, 1898, 1917, 1918, and 1943. All 6 of those years, there was no Tennessee football...

No matter how bad, we can not fire any coach, in any sport, that had virtually ZERO when he arrived, and then fire him/her after only 2 recruiting classes. The impact would be immediate and enduring!

Just 2 years ago, reasonable fans concluded that it would take 4 or 5 years to rebuild the program to respectability. You have become victims of your own propaganda...

GBO
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
I feel exactly the same way. I wanted Dools to be successful. But he isn't and so we must move on asap. As of next Monday, he should resign. And it will take us another 3-4 years with a new guy.
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We will immediately be better with a new coach provided it's a good hire. It's not going to be a huge rebuilding project like Dooley had. There is some talent in place and one or two very good recruiting classes should make us at least competitive with anyone. We may not be Alabama, Florida good for another 3-4 years (if then) but with a good coach and staff we should immediately be better then we are now.
 
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