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If the football and basketball players get paid, does title 9 go away? Do we shut down all the non revenue sports or do we raise ticket prices and/or taxes to pay for them? I'm curious how all that would work. If only the schools that have the revenue to support athletics continue to operate, will we lose conferences and schools from the conferences? I think there are a lot of problems that need to be worked through. I don't think anyone doesn't like the idea of a player getting revenue. I also don't think most like the idea of being the person that pays them. If we are going to pay the athletes, can't we just shut down the scholarships and let them play ball in a minor league setting and remove their affiliation with the school? Shouldn't high school players be paid as well? The sports in my high school don't survive without football revenue. That means the high school football team is profitable as well. Where is the line?
 
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Cartervol said:
College football got highjacked by politics this year... They're not going to play because of a virus with a 99.8 percent rate of survival and now a list of demands by players. Running from this virus was never the answer and has made life worse for everyone.
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List of player demands. There is an old saying "taking names and kicking ass". Better be glad I don't have the final say in this stupidity. All who are taking part in this act of "we are taking control and you can't do without us" would just be dismissed from the team, allowed to stay in school if they pay like other students, home or anywhere that would have them.
vollygirl said:
If you hate the players so much, why in the hell do you bother to follow college football?
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I don't think the poster said a word about hating the players. However he sure made it clear how he feels about the way we supposed grown ups act toward these children. Just because a youngster plays a spot really well does not mean the act really maturely. Most of them do not act as mature as their age as time usual proves out when their moneys and fame from sports plays out way too early in life. For some reason a quote from the end of the movie "Patton" comes to mind as I type this post. "and whispers in his ear - - remember all glory is fleeting"
 
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VolJarhead said:
If the football and basketball players get paid, does title 9 go away? Do we shut down all the non revenue sports or do we raise ticket prices and/or taxes to pay for them? I'm curious how all that would work. If only the schools that have the revenue to support athletics continue to operate, will we lose conferences and schools from the conferences? I think there are a lot of problems that need to be worked through. I don't think anyone doesn't like the idea of a player getting revenue. I also don't think most like the idea of being the person that pays them. If we are going to pay the athletes, can't we just shut down the scholarships and let them play ball in a minor league setting and remove their affiliation with the school? Shouldn't high school players be paid as well? The sports in my high school don't survive without football revenue. That means the high school football team is profitable as well. Where is the line?
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"The Line" is the difference between amateur and professional.. If they must be payed money (they already are receiving around 150-200 thousand for an education) then they need to go pro. If they are good enough and big enough the pros will take them or put them in a lessor pro setting. If in the case of football if a kid is not pro material yet (size, strength,etc.), then he can stay amateur til he is ready. The same as it has always been. If you are good enough to be a pro, they will take you, if not, better enjoy being an amateur and take what the system offers,,,, an education that will help provide for you the rest of your life.
 
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“Ultimately Create A College Football’s Players Association.”

The cat is out of the bag now. At least we can’t hide behind the “COVID too dangerous” stuff now. This entire debacle is clearly over the collective bargaining the players are trying to do. I’m not sure which side of the fence I lie on really, but either way this will turn ugly, and more than likely ensure that there is no season this year because these kids are fooling themselves if they think they have the power to change the minds of some of the most corrupt executives in any industry in this country.
 
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The Original Fade said:
We’re all to blame for these player groups and their demands. We’ve created a bunch of 18 year old spoiled narcissists who’ve been given everything and still want more. Why is anyone surprised when grown adults hang on every tweet these 5 star athletes send out when they’re 16 and 17 years old? Coaches, parents, and their communities treat them like they’re infallible and the source of everyone’s happiness in the Fall. Programs roll out the red carpet just to have them visit their campus, parents spare no expense for personal trainers, camps, and equipment, and it goes on and on. Just watch the way these egomaniacs make their college decision with the hats on the table, pulling off jerseys, and other stupid stunts. Who is to blame? All of us
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Good confession for everyone.
 
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165,000+ people have died in the US, and it continues to grow. People spend their life's work on a business that is now failing/has failed. We all want to return to normal, but it ain't happening right now. Keep things in perspective.
 
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norrislakevol said:
What if a vaccine is only 50 percent effective at most? What if this virus is with us for several years?
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Based on current information, it appears that this virus will be with us for years, similar to the common cold viruses. Even if any vaccine produces antibodies, it is doubtful those antibodies will last more than 12-16 months. I saw an article yesterday that stated that it is expected that no more than 66% of the high risk population have indicated that they would take the vaccine at this time. Therefore, if the vaccines are only 50% effective in producing antibodies, only 33 % of the high risk population would be protected. This would result in continued outbreaks and premature deaths in that population. If priorities for the vaccine are for the high risk, the remaining population would continue to have disease for a number of years. If fact, We are likely to see this virus for years and years. Our best hope is the development of a vaccine which is 80-90 % effective for at least 2 years coupled with effective treatments against the virus in all segments of the population. It will likely take a few years for either of these accomplishments. Evidence gained from pandemics from the past indicate that new viruses become less virulent over time and vaccines and treatments are developed. Influenza viruses seem to have followed that path.
 
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If a player wants to take their ball and go home, let them take their ball and go home. I am sure we all had a coach that made the statement when things got tough.... "if they don't want to be here, we do not want them here".
 
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The Original Fade said:
The COVID requests are reasonable since no clear guidelines have been established. But demands for revenue sharing are absurd. It’s also not a good look for the star players being the ones making the demands, knowing if the schools cannot meet their demands they can simply opt out and go pro. What about all the other players that just want to play knowing they’re not going to the NFL? Who appointed the players to speak for all of college football athletes?
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Why would Trevor want to play? I thought you said he had a teammate that could be seriously harmed already?
 
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VolJarhead said:
If the football and basketball players get paid, does title 9 go away? Do we shut down all the non revenue sports or do we raise ticket prices and/or taxes to pay for them? I'm curious how all that would work. If only the schools that have the revenue to support athletics continue to operate, will we lose conferences and schools from the conferences? I think there are a lot of problems that need to be worked through. I don't think anyone doesn't like the idea of a player getting revenue. I also don't think most like the idea of being the person that pays them. If we are going to pay the athletes, can't we just shut down the scholarships and let them play ball in a minor league setting and remove their affiliation with the school? Shouldn't high school players be paid as well? The sports in my high school don't survive without football revenue. That means the high school football team is profitable as well. Where is the line?
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Face it. Would minor league football (without the college affiliations) be as popular and rich as NCAA football?

I say their gripe is misplaced. I don't think they should be going after the colleges for money. They're getting a free education on two fronts:

  1. A free education:
    1. This generation can't on one hand say that that benefit is of little worth while also claiming we need to pay off their student loans because the debt load is unbearable. make up your minds.
  2. Free coaching to get them to the next level of the NFL.
If they want to rail against something, rail against the policy that the NFL won't accept anyone that hasn't already graduated. I don't think even that would go anywhere, but that policy effectively turns the NCAA into the NFL pipeline and forces players to play in college for their payday. But that isn't the same as saying that the players "deserve"m more for their play in college.
 
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Cartervol said:
College football got highjacked by politics this year... They're not going to play because of a virus with a 99.8 percent rate of survival and now a list of demands by players. Running from this virus was never the answer and has made life worse for everyone.
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If I could give you 15 likes, I would.
 
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allvol123 said:
Why would Trevor want to play? I thought you said he had a teammate that could be seriously harmed already?
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They all want to play. What’s your point? Because he has a sick teammate suddenly he doesn’t want to play football? When did I ever make that point?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Face it. Would minor league football (without the college affiliations) be as popular and rich as NCAA football?

I say their gripe is misplaced. I don't think they should be going after the colleges for money. They're getting a free education on two fronts:

  1. A free education:
    1. This generation can't on one hand say that that benefit is of little worth while also claiming we need to pay off their student loans because the debt load is unbearable. make up your minds.
  2. Free coaching to get them to the next level of the NFL.
If they want to rail against something, rail against the policy that the NFL won't accept anyone that hasn't already graduated. I don't think even that would go anywhere, but that policy effectively turns the NCAA into the NFL pipeline and forces players to play in college for their payday. But that isn't the same as saying that the players "deserve"m more for their play in college.
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1.1 is a GREAT point.
 
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Proud of these young athletes for pushing forward. Would like to see CJP join them like Pittman did.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Based on current information, it appears that this virus will be with us for years, similar to the common cold viruses. Even if any vaccine produces antibodies, it is doubtful those antibodies will last more than 12-16 months. I saw an article yesterday that stated that it is expected that no more than 66% of the high risk population have indicated that they would take the vaccine at this time. Therefore, if the vaccines are only 50% effective in producing antibodies, only 33 % of the high risk population would be protected. This would result in continued outbreaks and premature deaths in that population. If priorities for the vaccine are for the high risk, the remaining population would continue to have disease for a number of years. If fact, We are likely to see this virus for years and years. Our best hope is the development of a vaccine which is 80-90 % effective for at least 2 years coupled with effective treatments against the virus in all segments of the population. It will likely take a few years for either of these accomplishments. Evidence gained from pandemics from the past indicate that new viruses become less virulent over time and vaccines and treatments are developed. Influenza viruses seem to have followed that path.
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Read up on T Cell immunity.
 
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allvol123 said:
That your comment about said player was BS.
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Here’s Dabo’s quote about the player in question. He had a harder time with COVID than the perception that 18-22 year olds suffer no effects from the virus, that was the only point I’ve ever made about this player.

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