Westcoastvol's EPIC rant to the NYT (c/p)

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An upper-deck pimp-slap if ever I saw one! Here it is:

I wrote and sent the following letter to George Vecsey, Tom Jolly, the New York Times Sports Editor and Clark Hoyt, the New York Times' ombudsman/public editor. Bottom line is, at this point-innocent or guilty-it's all speculation.

If, in fact, there were improprieties, however large or small, they'll be dealt with appropriately, via the NCAA, the SEC and UT. But until then, I'm pretty sick of my team and the school that represents my home state being thrown under the bus in the court of public opinion long before Exhibit A is submitted as evidence.

Please feel free to forward this to whomever you like. To quote Howard Beale in the classic movie "Network," I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it any more.

And yes, I had the day off today!

Dear Mr. Vecsey-

I've been an avid reader of the New York Times since my college years. No matter where I've lived in the world, it's always been my first read. During that time, I've read many of your stories and columns. Some I've agreed with, others, I've rolled my eyes at. But your op/ed, er, I mean slash piece on the University of Tennessee football team really struck a raw nerve.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of Tennesseans-current and former-when I wonder when the New York Times is going to ease up on its innuendo-based assault against the Vols, The Gray Lady's words (yours and Thamel's) traipsing on libel (and stomping on inappropriateness) the way a football player's cleats try to avoid the very edge of the sidelines. You'd think that with all the harsh economic realities facing the Times that it doesn't make prudent financial sense to employ a proofreader and a legal analyst to read over every column!

It's well-established that your colleague, Pete Thamel, is very much pro-University of Florida, pro-Urban Meyer. And one need only look at Thamel's bio to see that he was at Syracuse when the Vols came back to win at the Carrier Dome in '98 on the strength of a late flag pass interference call. It was the first step toward an undefeated season and the first BCS title. Seriously, are sour grapes being catered around the NYT sports desk these days? And who knew grapes had a shelf life of 11 years and three-plus months without first being crushed and bottled into wine?!?

Cheap shot, perhaps? Okay, I digress. But since you digressed in your op/ed to write a thinly-disguised rip on the region itself, I figure I'm allowed such a mulligan. On the topic of asides, let's talk about the rock slide you mentioned. Please take a look at this link:

The Newport Plain Talk - News Story

Inside the link, you'll see an aerial photo of the rock slide. Look at the scale of the disaster; it's no laughing matter. Some are estimating that it will take until as late as April '10 or even beyond to get that part of I-40 moving again.

As you can imagine, between tourism, commuting and commerce, it's a heavily-traveled corridor. The people in that immediate area are suffering, mightily. Business at the various hotels, shops, restaurants and gas stations is a sliver of what it used to be, as drivers-and their dollars-are being detoured away from the area. The region itself has long waged a battle against poverty and high unemployment. An act of nature is the last thing these people need in their lives, much less having their troubles being mocked by a columnist who seemingly clicked on one link and wrote from there. Maybe it's time for you to dust off those maps you mentioned, and retrace the steps you took years ago to get a more informed look at the state of affairs.

You also posit that the NCAA could "mandate an autumn without the sound of “Rocky Top” echoing off the hills." I encourage you to look back on the somewhat recent recruiting hostess incidents at the Universities of Colorado and Oregon. This isn’t even close to that, although the vigorous hyperbole that you and Mr. Hamel have subjected the public to has turned a molehill into something rivaling the size of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

The University of Tennessee, whether you choose to believe it or not, doesn’t just exist as a life-support system for sports. It’s an academic haven as well. Admittedly, we don’t have esteemed alumni such as ones from your alma mater at Hofstra, for instance, Bernie Madoff. But, UT’s alumni roster does boast two Nobel laureates, seven Rhodes Scholars, six Pulitzer Prize winners, and 10 astronauts and that Peyton Manning guy. Yes, football is life in Tennessee, but it's also a PR tool used to reach out to enhance UT's academic reputation by attracting bright leaders of tomorrow.

Furthermore, your mock indignation does a tremendous job of breaking down the proverbial fourth wall to wink at the world when you opine that "I'm not suggesting anything untoward happened on the little trip from Knoxville, Tenn., to Duncan, S.C. I'm sure the two young women were there just to wish the lads well and say, "If you're ever in the neighborhood, y'all come see us, y'heah?"

It doesn't take too learned of a man to get your insinuation that an athletic program is condoning whoring for the school. One need only look at the Hofstra Pride's (now there's an appropriate name for a mascot) basketball scheduling to pick up on a different definition of prostituting for the greater good:

11/13/09: at Kansas

11/17/09: at UConn (NIT Season Tip-Off)

12/20/09: v. St. John's (Aeropostale Holiday Festival)

11/14/08: v. Clemson (Charleston Classic)

12/29/06: at Syracuse

11/22/05: v. Notre Dame

11/20/03: v. Georgia Tech (Preseason NIT)

11/29/03: v. Maryland

11/22/02: at Gonzaga

12/04/01: at Syracuse

11/29/99: at Cal/Berkeley

12/07/99: at Vanderbilt

Indeed, one doesn't have to insinuate that the Hofstra basketball team historically has had no problem whatsoever looking up and staring at the ceiling fan while taking one for the art department. It's fact and part of recorded history, and certainly par for the course amongst non Division One schools. Even the New York Times did a story on smaller schools playing bigger ones for money. Quoting from the NYT: In College Football, Big Paydays for Humiliation - New York Times

“For the weaker teams, a bigger appearance check means a chance to upgrade. Buffalo Coach Turner Gill said the Bulls were able to buy new furniture for their football complex and improve their weight room with the $1.5 million from their three nonconference road games Buffalo plays in the Mid-American Conference…Louisiana-Monroe, which received $700,000 for a game at Kansas, has already spent the money on video equipment. Florida Atlantic, in the Sun Belt Conference with Louisiana-Monroe, will make more than $1.8 million by opening the schedule with games at Clemson, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and South Carolina.”

Granted, none of these schools were kind enough to give you a warm, wet towel to clean up with afterwards, but, be it in a tournament or from a visit to the opponent's home court, Hofstra was given a check. A check that said "thanks for suiting up and bending over. Spend it wisely!"

I'd also say that check for being a harlot-flavored cupcake went towards upgrading facilities that benefited Hofstra students, be it in the athletic department or the library. Perhaps you or your children or someone else's children directly benefited from Hofstra being all too willing to taking one for the team. Perhaps you wouldn't be able to make such wide-eyed parenthetical accusations thinly disguised as an op-ed column from such a lofty perch if it weren't for your own alma mater's willingness to drop trou for textbooks.

Go Big Orange-now and forever.

Sincerely-
westcoastvol
LA, CA

PS-not enabling comments to the piece online was a serious mistake, in my opinion, because the clicks your column has received today from angry Vols such as myself-as well as the rhetoric an open, public discussion would've generated-and is generating on message boards-surely would've made a noticeable blip, enabling you to charge more to run their banners and such on nyt.com. As you well know, in the new media economy, every nickel counts. Or is the New York Times willing to sacrifice a possible and positive augmentation to the bottom line so that Mr. Vecsey can safely publish a hit-and-run piece?
 
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I love it !!!! You spent an off day well. Seems you did 3xs more research than the writer of the "article"...ha ha what a douche ! Thanks !
 
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Nice, you really painted a good picture. I used to read the Plain Talk back in th day.
 
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Feel free to copy and paste and email! I'm tired of the NYT teabagging us with as few facts as are on the table. It's time they got teabagged back. I don't like it when someone is convicted in the court of public opinion long before the judge enters the courtroom.

Sad thing is, in doing my research, I looked up the Hofstra football schedule, which, like the basketball schedule, only goes back ten years online. The Hofstra football team sucks, er, I mean sucked (RIP) so bad that they weren't even a cupcake sister of the poor doormat! I had to use hoops as an example, but still, a fitting one.

IIRC, Hofstra might've played UT a time or two in basketball back in the Mears era in a Volunteer Classic or two, but I'm not totally sure.
 
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I posted this in another thread about NYTimes and Tiger Woods, but here is my letter to that POS Vecsey (albeit not as eloquent as yours)...

Mr Vecsey,

Let me start by saying I never attended the University of Tennessee, so I am not an angered alum trying to exact some revenge for discrediting my university. However, I am a fan of Tennessee football and I am completely astounded that your editor would allow your piece of hack journalism to be published. It doesn't speak much for the NYTimes nor for you as a journalist. I would expect this sensationalist type of work to be published by the NY Post; maybe one day you'll find yourself reduced to working for such a publication...
Your opinions on the NCAA REVIEW (not investigation) characterize you as a complete bigot of the state of Tennessee and of the south in general. I lived in NYC for almost 3 years and have to say that I am embarrassed to let the great city of NY be represented through such non-sensical journalism as yours.

For one, you have never been to a football game at the University of Tennessee, you have no connections to the sport of football, and obviously there aren't any nationally-prominent football programs within the state of NY. Why don't you leave your ridiculous prejudice against the SEC and the rest of the south to yourself. Just because you were fortunate enough to drive through TN years ago does not make you an expert on that state or it's football program.

And in terms of characterizing this as a 'scandal' and comparing it to Watergate, you apparently aren't a student of history either. Why don't you write an article based on FACTS, not FANTASY! I know that your job is to write articles that help sell your newspaper, but as a journalist you are supposed to be committed to reporting that is fair and unbiased. Good luck advancing in your career with pieces of garbage like the one you just wrote...

Once the NCAA has completed its review of this incident, I expect a full retraction from you in the Times, and if not, I'll be expecting your application to the National Enquirer or the NY Post.

Sincerely,

A Concerned Reader
 
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I posted this in another thread about NYTimes and Tiger Woods, but here is my letter to that POS Vecsey (albeit not as eloquent as yours)...

Mr Vecsey,

Let me start by saying I never attended the University of Tennessee, so I am not an angered alum trying to exact some revenge for discrediting my university. However, I am a fan of Tennessee football and I am completely astounded that your editor would allow your piece of hack journalism to be published. It doesn't speak much for the NYTimes nor for you as a journalist. I would expect this sensationalist type of work to be published by the NY Post; maybe one day you'll find yourself reduced http://www.volnation.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=3089755to working for such a publication...
Your opinions on the NCAA REVIEW (not investigation) characterize you as a complete bigot of the state of Tennessee and of the south in general. I lived in NYC for almost 3 years and have to say that I am embarrassed to let the great city of NY be represented through such non-sensical journalism as yours.

For one, you have never been to a football game at the University of Tennessee, you have no connections to the sport of football, and obviously there aren't any nationally-prominent football programs within the state of NY. Why don't you leave your ridiculous prejudice against the SEC and the rest of the south to yourself. Just because you were fortunate enough to drive through TN years ago does not make you an expert on that state or it's football program.

And in terms of characterizing this as a 'scandal' and comparing it to Watergate, you apparently aren't a student of history either. Why don't you write an article based on FACTS, not FANTASY! I know that your job is to write articles that help sell your newspaper, but as a journalist you are supposed to be committed to reporting that is fair and unbiased. Good luck advancing in your career with pieces of garbage like the one you just wrote...

Once the NCAA has completed its review of this incident, I expect a full retraction from you in the Times, and if not, I'll be expecting your application to the National Enquirer or the NY Post.

Sincerely,

A Concerned Reader

Congrats and thanks for speaking up! I'm in Los Feliz, fwiw...
 
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Very impressive westcoastvol! Thanks for a well written letter about our Vols....you put the NYT writer to shame.
 
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If he read it you just made him lose a half hour of finding more facts on Tenn by laughing at you and confirm his stereotype of the mullett wearing Tenn neck. Since he probably printing it to allow his bird a place to poop than you just wasted more time.
 
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If he read it you just made him lose a half hour of finding more facts on Tenn by laughing at you and confirm his stereotype of the mullett wearing Tenn neck. Since he probably printing it to allow his bird a place to poop than you just wasted more time.
Did have to stop servicing PF and staff to write this incoherent gibberish?
 
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If he read it you just made him lose a half hour of finding more facts on Tenn by laughing at you and confirm his stereotype of the mullett wearing Tenn neck. Since he probably printing it to allow his bird a place to poop than you just wasted more time.

What?
 
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And in terms of characterizing this as a 'scandal' and comparing it to Watergate, you apparently aren't a student of history either.

So, would Thamel be the "deepthroat" of hostessgate? He seems like the type...If you catch my drift.
 
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By far the best thread I have read in the past couple of days. Thank you to the two CA Vols who have shared their story on here. Well done and well said!
 
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If he read it you just made him lose a half hour of finding more facts on Tenn by laughing at you and confirm his stereotype of the mullett wearing Tenn neck. Since he probably printing it to allow his bird a place to poop than you just wasted more time.

Wow, whatever standards we may have established here at VolNation were just lowered dramatically by this post.
 
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An upper-deck pimp-slap if ever I saw one! Here it is:

I wrote and sent the following letter to George Vecsey, Tom Jolly, the New York Times Sports Editor and Clark Hoyt, the New York Times' ombudsman/public editor. Bottom line is, at this point-innocent or guilty-it's all speculation.

If, in fact, there were improprieties, however large or small, they'll be dealt with appropriately, via the NCAA, the SEC and UT. But until then, I'm pretty sick of my team and the school that represents my home state being thrown under the bus in the court of public opinion long before Exhibit A is submitted as evidence.

Please feel free to forward this to whomever you like. To quote Howard Beale in the classic movie "Network," I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it any more.

And yes, I had the day off today!

Dear Mr. Vecsey-

I've been an avid reader of the New York Times since my college years. No matter where I've lived in the world, it's always been my first read. During that time, I've read many of your stories and columns. Some I've agreed with, others, I've rolled my eyes at. But your op/ed, er, I mean slash piece on the University of Tennessee football team really struck a raw nerve.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of Tennesseans-current and former-when I wonder when the New York Times is going to ease up on its innuendo-based assault against the Vols, The Gray Lady's words (yours and Thamel's) traipsing on libel (and stomping on inappropriateness) the way a football player's cleats try to avoid the very edge of the sidelines. You'd think that with all the harsh economic realities facing the Times that it doesn't make prudent financial sense to employ a proofreader and a legal analyst to read over every column!

It's well-established that your colleague, Pete Thamel, is very much pro-University of Florida, pro-Urban Meyer. And one need only look at Thamel's bio to see that he was at Syracuse when the Vols came back to win at the Carrier Dome in '98 on the strength of a late flag pass interference call. It was the first step toward an undefeated season and the first BCS title. Seriously, are sour grapes being catered around the NYT sports desk these days? And who knew grapes had a shelf life of 11 years and three-plus months without first being crushed and bottled into wine?!?

Cheap shot, perhaps? Okay, I digress. But since you digressed in your op/ed to write a thinly-disguised rip on the region itself, I figure I'm allowed such a mulligan. On the topic of asides, let's talk about the rock slide you mentioned. Please take a look at this link:

The Newport Plain Talk - News Story

Inside the link, you'll see an aerial photo of the rock slide. Look at the scale of the disaster; it's no laughing matter. Some are estimating that it will take until as late as April '10 or even beyond to get that part of I-40 moving again.

As you can imagine, between tourism, commuting and commerce, it's a heavily-traveled corridor. The people in that immediate area are suffering, mightily. Business at the various hotels, shops, restaurants and gas stations is a sliver of what it used to be, as drivers-and their dollars-are being detoured away from the area. The region itself has long waged a battle against poverty and high unemployment. An act of nature is the last thing these people need in their lives, much less having their troubles being mocked by a columnist who seemingly clicked on one link and wrote from there. Maybe it's time for you to dust off those maps you mentioned, and retrace the steps you took years ago to get a more informed look at the state of affairs.

You also posit that the NCAA could "mandate an autumn without the sound of “Rocky Top” echoing off the hills." I encourage you to look back on the somewhat recent recruiting hostess incidents at the Universities of Colorado and Oregon. This isn’t even close to that, although the vigorous hyperbole that you and Mr. Hamel have subjected the public to has turned a molehill into something rivaling the size of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

The University of Tennessee, whether you choose to believe it or not, doesn’t just exist as a life-support system for sports. It’s an academic haven as well. Admittedly, we don’t have esteemed alumni such as ones from your alma mater at Hofstra, for instance, Bernie Madoff. But, UT’s alumni roster does boast two Nobel laureates, seven Rhodes Scholars, six Pulitzer Prize winners, and 10 astronauts and that Peyton Manning guy. Yes, football is life in Tennessee, but it's also a PR tool used to reach out to enhance UT's academic reputation by attracting bright leaders of tomorrow.

Furthermore, your mock indignation does a tremendous job of breaking down the proverbial fourth wall to wink at the world when you opine that "I'm not suggesting anything untoward happened on the little trip from Knoxville, Tenn., to Duncan, S.C. I'm sure the two young women were there just to wish the lads well and say, "If you're ever in the neighborhood, y'all come see us, y'heah?"

It doesn't take too learned of a man to get your insinuation that an athletic program is condoning whoring for the school. One need only look at the Hofstra Pride's (now there's an appropriate name for a mascot) basketball scheduling to pick up on a different definition of prostituting for the greater good:

11/13/09: at Kansas

11/17/09: at UConn (NIT Season Tip-Off)

12/20/09: v. St. John's (Aeropostale Holiday Festival)

11/14/08: v. Clemson (Charleston Classic)

12/29/06: at Syracuse

11/22/05: v. Notre Dame

11/20/03: v. Georgia Tech (Preseason NIT)

11/29/03: v. Maryland

11/22/02: at Gonzaga

12/04/01: at Syracuse

11/29/99: at Cal/Berkeley

12/07/99: at Vanderbilt

Indeed, one doesn't have to insinuate that the Hofstra basketball team historically has had no problem whatsoever looking up and staring at the ceiling fan while taking one for the art department. It's fact and part of recorded history, and certainly par for the course amongst non Division One schools. Even the New York Times did a story on smaller schools playing bigger ones for money. Quoting from the NYT: In College Football, Big Paydays for Humiliation - New York Times

“For the weaker teams, a bigger appearance check means a chance to upgrade. Buffalo Coach Turner Gill said the Bulls were able to buy new furniture for their football complex and improve their weight room with the $1.5 million from their three nonconference road games Buffalo plays in the Mid-American Conference…Louisiana-Monroe, which received $700,000 for a game at Kansas, has already spent the money on video equipment. Florida Atlantic, in the Sun Belt Conference with Louisiana-Monroe, will make more than $1.8 million by opening the schedule with games at Clemson, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and South Carolina.”

Granted, none of these schools were kind enough to give you a warm, wet towel to clean up with afterwards, but, be it in a tournament or from a visit to the opponent's home court, Hofstra was given a check. A check that said "thanks for suiting up and bending over. Spend it wisely!"

I'd also say that check for being a harlot-flavored cupcake went towards upgrading facilities that benefited Hofstra students, be it in the athletic department or the library. Perhaps you or your children or someone else's children directly benefited from Hofstra being all too willing to taking one for the team. Perhaps you wouldn't be able to make such wide-eyed parenthetical accusations thinly disguised as an op-ed column from such a lofty perch if it weren't for your own alma mater's willingness to drop trou for textbooks.

Go Big Orange-now and forever.

Sincerely-
westcoastvol
LA, CA

PS-not enabling comments to the piece online was a serious mistake, in my opinion, because the clicks your column has received today from angry Vols such as myself-as well as the rhetoric an open, public discussion would've generated-and is generating on message boards-surely would've made a noticeable blip, enabling you to charge more to run their banners and such on nyt.com. As you well know, in the new media economy, every nickel counts. Or is the New York Times willing to sacrifice a possible and positive augmentation to the bottom line so that Mr. Vecsey can safely publish a hit-and-run piece?

:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock: post of the year!!!!!!!
 

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