We're out of the TPP

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volprof said:
How many computers and robotics engineers do you think a workforce needs?
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a lot more than it has now


https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/burger-flipper-salary-SRCH_KO0,14.htm

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/robotics-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm


going off of salaries. you are seeing a lot old engineers aging out right now. TVA is paying stupid money for some of their positions.

burger flippers are a lot closer to getting replaced by robots than robotics engineers chances of not finding work.
 
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volinbham said:
My question is "could the deal have been better for the US" and the follow up "can we strike a better deal?"

If the answer is "yes" then what's the beef?
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On what basis can anyone conclude that a better deal will be made? With Australia? Japan? Canada?

Incidentally, George W. Bush launched the U.S. into the TPP framework.
 
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volprof said:
I've never been against the TPP, and I'm not a liberal. I'm a champion of the American Empire, and do not want to see its demise.

I think of Michael Moore about what I think of you, although I have some respect for him.
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You have been an ultra liberal and a conservative by your own admission. I think you would be right at home in the Kremlin. Since you are so infatuated with it. You might want to think about moving there since Trump is going to throw us into nuclear war with China :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
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volinbham said:
I'll be honest - I'm not familiar enough with the terms to know if it was a good deal or not.

I'm generally in favor of trade deals.

My question is "could the deal have been better for the US" and the follow up "can we strike a better deal?"

If the answer is "yes" then what's the beef?
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I am certain a better deal can be made. Trump is all about protectionism, though, which means he is after a worse deal.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I am certain a better deal can be made. Trump is all about protectionism, though, which means he is after a worse deal.
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In fairness, it's hard to tell where he is truly crazy vs trying to start at an absurd position to negotiate a better deal. The fact that he blur the line between the two, has access to the world's biggest economy and military, makes him an extraordinary player on the international stage (if he plays his cards right).
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I am sure you know much more about the economy than someone like Trump. :crazy:
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I know what economists say. It's not about being smart. Trump is just being a politician. This got him votes.

The economic community is near consensus that free trade is good and protectionism is bad.

Trump University used to teach that free trade was good for the economy.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
In fairness, it's hard to tell where he is truly crazy vs trying to start at an absurd position to negotiate a better deal. The fact that he blur the line between the two, has access to the world's biggest economy and military, makes him an extraordinary player on the international stage (if he plays his cards right).
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I could dig that. Won't hold my breath.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I am certain a better deal can be made. Trump is all about protectionism, though, which means he is after a worse deal.
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I hear ya.

I'm betting the TPP was pretty one sided - perhaps someone that demands open foreign markets will yield a better deal.

The hope (the only hope) with Trump is that he is aggressive on deals rather than capitulating.

One thing is sure - Team Obama was all about accommodating other countries and attempting to minimize the appearance of US domineering. Clearly Trump doesn't have that constraint.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
In fairness, it's hard to tell where he is truly crazy vs trying to start at an absurd position to negotiate a better deal. The fact that he blur the line between the two, has access to the world's biggest economy and military, makes him an extraordinary player on the international stage (if he plays his cards right).
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This is where I try to find solace.

I know for sure that our approach to Iran - to begin negotiations with the clear signal that above all we wanted a deal - was the surest way to get a crappy deal. All leverage was lost at the very beginning.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know what economists say. It's not about being smart. Trump is just being a politician. This got him votes.

The economic community is near consensus that free trade is good and protectionism is bad.

Trump University used to teach that free trade was good for the economy.
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Economists are not infallible. Nobody is. Most all conventional thinking when it comes to Trump has been wrong. Nobody knows whats going to happen.
 
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The Executive Order doesn't affect trade at all. This was dead on arrival in Congress anyways. There is a solid chance that China will now control almost 40 percent of the market.
 
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volprof said:
How many computers and robotics engineers do you think a workforce needs?
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I know I have been looking for trained programmers for over 6 months now with no luck. You need to step outside your academia world occasionally and see what is really going on in the US.
 
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I don't see any free trade plans anywhere except NAFTA. Under NAFTA goods come duty free from Mexico and raw materials can be shipped duty free from the USA. Great idea but the Mexicans decided it was cheaper to buy raw materials from China and so ended the great idea.
We have a tariff on all incoming goods from China. They have a tariff on all incoming goods as well. Problem is many types of goods they do not allow to be imported to their country even with high tariff. The reason for that is the demand is very high for US goods and Chinese people would pay for them even with high tariff. Example German cars carry a 30% tariff and luxury tax at purchases point. 20% of the cars on the road in China are German.
Open those Closed markets in China and the trade deficit will be reduced, how much I don't know. Neither does anyone else.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Trump is all about protectionism, though, which means he is after a worse deal.
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If he has a free hand with his border tax he'll likely reward those corporations who suck up to him the most and stick it to those which don't.
 
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First, forget your TV and iPhone: half of American imports are *inputs* — machinery, equipment, and raw materials — for *American companies in America*. These imports (equivalent to about 8% of GDP) directly support U.S. production. The other half — consumer products, cars, food — are almost all inventory for retailers, car dealerships, food producers, and grocery stores in America.

Second, exports are about 13 percent of U.S. GDP — over $2 trillion. This is the soft underbelly of the American economy. If you think foreign countries are “killing us on trade” now, wait till you see what a global trade war does to America’s export sector.

On top of that, *importers are exporters* (and vice versa). The top 1% of importers are responsible for 60% of exported goods, and the top 1% of exporters are responsible for 66% of imported goods.

Almost every industry you’d “protect” by throwing up a huge tariff wall around the country would also be damaged by some other part of it. Trump’s “Fortress America” trade policy looks more like an economic prison.
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https://medium.com/@danielbier/two-...rt-a-global-trade-war-f548c6858cca#.p5nf09nvj
 
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