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#51
#51
JC61 said:
I had a debate w/ KB a couple months ago, and still concede he was much better in the 2nd half of the season.

Poorest performances last year were BGSU and UA...don't hear nashing of teeth about the first because we won big.

He missed 1 vs. OU, UF and Ark...and that's the reason our VOLS lost...just can't / won't accept his foot as the single point of failure in those 3 losses.

It's a team sport; while many on both sides of the situation get credit / blame, rarely does one play or player cost / win the game....but will admit I can be hardheaded about such things.
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i don't think Medley was "the reason" we lost any of those games.

but in the interest of complimentary football, him being as bad as he's been, in big spots, certainly hasn't helped change the narrative of some games.

think how the narrative changes in the OU or FL games if he makes the ones he missed?

and while he was awful in the Bama game, we dind't exactly give him chip shots to hit either.

anyway, i don't think Medley is the reason we lost any game. but him being bad has been part of it, certainly.
 
#53
#53
jakez4ut said:
i don't think Medley was "the reason" we lost any of those games.

but in the interest of complimentary football, him being as bad as he's been, in big spots, certainly hasn't helped change the narrative of some games.

think how the narrative changes in the OU or FL games if he makes the ones he missed?

and while he was awful in the Bama game, we dind't exactly give him chip shots to hit either.

anyway, i don't think Medley is the reason we lost any game. but him being bad has been part of it, certainly.
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OK Jake....I can see and appreciate your position. If he had made some of those long FG's (48 yds - OU, 50+ yds UF, as well as 2 for 50+ at UA) things may have been different.

By the same token, if the LBs / DBs had played better in final minutes of those 2 games, the narrative may change as well.

As bad as some think he was, and I'm not saying he's was a superstar, I just don't think he's awful and the reason we lost games, which is what I initially responded to. Even if he'd made those, while being a hero...it still took 22+ other dudes to make it all happen.

BTW....as poor as he did, still managed to rank in the top 16 of D1 last year, so while it stings when he misses...maybe he's not that, that bad.
 
#54
#54
JC61 said:
OK Jake....I can see and appreciate your position. If he had made some of those long FG's (48 yds - OU, 50+ yds UF, as well as 2 for 50+ at UA) things may have been different.

By the same token, if the LBs / DBs had played better in final minutes of those 2 games, the narrative may change as well.

As bad as some think he was, and I'm not saying he's was a superstar, I just don't think he's awful and the reason we lost games, which is what I initially responded to. Even if he'd made those, while being a hero...it still took 22+ other dudes to make it all happen.

BTW....as poor as he did, still managed to rank in the top 16 of D1 last year, so while it stings when he misses...maybe he's not that, that bad.
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no argument. it's the culmination of all of it that was so frustrating. if any of those things are better or just simply not awful and we make the basic plays, who knows.

combine that with some of the coaching gaffes in the FL game, there is plenty of wealth that could be spread around, as to who's responsible.

again, in the interest of complimentary football, none of it helped.:thumbsup:
 
#55
#55
JC61 said:
I had a debate w/ KB a couple months ago, and still concede he was much better in the 2nd half of the season.

Poorest performances last year were BGSU and UA...don't hear nashing of teeth about the first because we won big.

He missed 1 vs. OU, UF and Ark...and that's the reason our VOLS lost...just can't / won't accept his foot as the single point of failure in those 3 losses.

It's a team sport; while many on both sides of the situation get credit / blame, rarely does one play or player cost / win the game....but will admit I can be hardheaded about such things.
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Never intended to blame Medley for any losses. I have said that if he hadnt missed the 45 or so yarder vs Oklahoma, that we would've very likely won in regulation. He wasn't the reason we lost, but if he'd done his job he could've been a reason why we won.

He also missed a chip shot vs Arky early that might've made a difference in that game....never know how the dynamic could've changed if we'd gone up 3 scores, 17-0, at home. Again, not the reason we lost, could've helped us possibly win....either way, he just can't miss a kick from inside 30 yards.

Bama game? He officially missed 3 kicks, but actually missed 4 (got a "do-over" because of penalty and missed the second kick worse than the first). Again, he's not to blame for that loss, but he didn't do his job to help the team win.
 
#56
#56
jakez4ut said:
i don't think Medley was "the reason" we lost any of those games.

but in the interest of complimentary football, him being as bad as he's been, in big spots, certainly hasn't helped change the narrative of some games.

think how the narrative changes in the OU or FL games if he makes the ones he missed?

and while he was awful in the Bama game, we dind't exactly give him chip shots to hit either.

anyway, i don't think Medley is the reason we lost any game. but him being bad has been part of it, certainly.
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Truth. He must be much better than the 11th best FG kicker in the SEC again this year. That's not good enough.
 
#57
#57
I remember not wanting Butch to send Medley out for a couple kicks. I didn't have any faith he would hit and it seemed like it would only hurt his confidence more. I think the second half of last season he seemed a lot better so hopefully he builds on that.
 
#60
#60
KBVol said:
Never intended to blame Medley for any losses. I have said that if he hadnt missed the 45 or so yarder vs Oklahoma, that we would've very likely won in regulation. He wasn't the reason we lost, but if he'd done his job he could've been a reason why we won.

He also missed a chip shot vs Arky early that might've made a difference in that game....never know how the dynamic could've changed if we'd gone up 3 scores, 17-0, at home. Again, not the reason we lost, could've helped us possibly win....either way, he just can't miss a kick from inside 30 yards.

Bama game? He officially missed 3 kicks, but actually missed 4 (got a "do-over" because of penalty and missed the second kick worse than the first). Again, he's not to blame for that loss, but he didn't do his job to help the team win.
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I get what you're saying.
And I don't blame Medley, or dropped passes or bad passes, or o line play, but I do like to see some reality coming back.

There was some conservative play calling and some down right bad decisions by the coaching staff last season but have you noticed how everything else has been forgotten?

During those games, posters actually said Medley/Dobbs/Jumper etc..
"Just cost us the game".
Somehow, those team losses have been turned in to the staff single handedly took the greatest, most mistake free group of players to ever bless the field and ordered them to lose.

Call out the coaches for their faults for sure but the exaggeration of it all has gotten way out of hand. We've both dealt with one of those posters recently.
 
#61
#61
KBVol said:
Was 21 of 31, missed 10 fgs total. 30 points gone.
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30 points in the right places makes us undefeated. Maybe he didn't cost us any games, but he sure as hell could/should have helped win us at least 2 out of those 4 losses.

Special Teams can win and lose games just as much as any other part of the game.
 
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