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#51
I for one would love for Cary to to strap on the pads and play tight end for us next season. He would be a beast. He has the build to be great in football.
 
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What is he, 6'6'' and 265. If he can run and has decent hands, then that's exactly what the NFL wants. Blocking would be the biggest obstacle. Blocking is a learned skill.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I don't see any similarities there. None
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Grant wasn’t scoring much from the perimeter. Both were more effective in the paint.

They both played tighter defense in the paint as well.

Fulk didn’t attempt 3-pointers. Grant wasn’t very effective as a 3-point threat.

Fulk got into passing lanes and deflected a lot of passes. Grant had nearly a steal per game.

Both were effective passers.

Pretty similar rates of rebounding and committing fouls.

Maybe you can spot a similarity in there somewhere.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Grant wasn’t scoring much from the perimeter. Both were more effective in the paint.

They both played tighter defense in the paint as well.

Fulk didn’t attempt 3-pointers. Grant wasn’t very effective as a 3-point threat.

Fulk got into passing lanes and deflected a lot of passes. Grant had nearly a steal per game.

Both were effective passers.

Pretty similar rates of rebounding and committing fouls.

Maybe you can spot a similarity in there somewhere.
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Grant wasn't a 3 pt threat until his last season and that was only on occasion.

I thought you were comparing Carey to Fulkerson. Apparently you were comparing Fulky to Grant. That's ridiculous too, even given the broad brushed similarities in this post. The overall effectiveness might have been similar. Geez, Man, that's an elementary understanding of the game reach. Fulkerson was overall more effective than Carey will ever be, but neither are in Grant's league in any manner of the game
 
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WaywardVol said:
Here’s then bizarre statement that lead to pearl clutching and name calling:

“The biggest head scratcher is Carey. He appears to have every bit of offensive ability as Grant Williams. He isn’t even starting. Yes, his FT shooting sucks, but he is a force down low.”

Wow! Such a radical take. He’s absolutely the closest we’ve had to Grant in terms of a guy who can set up in the block, feed the ball and essentially have a 75% chance that he’ll either score or get fouled. Prove me wrong. In contrast, the guy I expected to be that guy, Estrella, failed the off season conditioning program and gets Shoved around by smaller guys.

The real stat is he’s a monster rebounder. 9 again in limited minutes. It’s also clear that Barnes isn’t making any effort to focus on him as a primary offensive weapon. He sits for long stretches in the second halves. He’s most certainly earned the starting role with his production. Then we could really see his abilities.
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In my opinion it’s a bad take, but think what you will. At this point in Grant’s career he was a consensus first round pick, so those are hard shoes to fill in any comparison.

Carey has some good traits, mostly size with a decent pin down on offense and he’s good under the rim. Not a huge scoring threat, but he could help that stat himself by working on FTs. He’s not a good ball handler or passer, so when he moves up top as a bail out pass, the only real option is DHO. He’s definitely not shooting. He’s going to get the ball low due to being a decent rebounder. He needs to go back up with it more quickly.

Defensively he has struggled to learn Barnes gap defense scheme, but he isn’t bad in a straight man set. Unfortunately this is what is keeping him off the floor. He’s also a far less effective shot blocker than okpara or Estrella.

Carey would probably look like a superstar in a zone defense team playing another zone defense team. His first step is just too slow for the way higher level basketball is played today to be a superstar.

He’s a good player that still has a ton of room to improve. If he could trade 30 lbs for 3 inches of height he’d have something, but no magic wands around here. I still think he could make a massive improvement by leaning out some without losing muscle. Tough ask but it’s doable.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Grant wasn't a 3 pt threat until his last season and that was only on occasion.

I thought you were comparing Carey to Fulkerson. Apparently you were comparing Fulky to Grant. That's ridiculous too, even given the broad brushed similarities in this post. The overall effectiveness might have been similar. Geez, Man, that's an elementary understanding of the game reach. Fulkerson was overall more effective than Carey will ever be, but neither are in Grant's league in any manner of the game
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Are you capable of sharing a differing opinion minus the idiotic insults or is being a MBD just in your DNA?
 
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WaywardVol said:
Here’s then bizarre statement that lead to pearl clutching and name calling:

“The biggest head scratcher is Carey. He appears to have every bit of offensive ability as Grant Williams. He isn’t even starting. Yes, his FT shooting sucks, but he is a force down low.”

Wow! Such a radical take. He’s absolutely the closest we’ve had to Grant in terms of a guy who can set up in the block, feed the ball and essentially have a 75% chance that he’ll either score or get fouled. Prove me wrong. In contrast, the guy I expected to be that guy, Estrella, failed the off season conditioning program and gets Shoved around by smaller guys.

The real stat is he’s a monster rebounder. 9 again in limited minutes. It’s also clear that Barnes isn’t making any effort to focus on him as a primary offensive weapon. He sits for long stretches in the second halves. He’s most certainly earned the starting role with his production. Then we could really see his abilities.
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Carey went 3-12 today from 3 ft
 
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WaywardVol said:
Hell, you were tripping over the keyboard to get that post in. You ain’t fooling anyone.
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You sort of set it up on an extra long tee with the Grant comparisons and the "Carey is our most dominant offensive player" statement. I just posted his stats. Like I said before, I like Carey and he can be solid in the low post AT TIMES, but he also struggles badly at times from point blank range. Sort of enigmatic I suppose, but probably has everything to do with focus
 
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It's really bizarre to hear some argue unequivocally that Carey is our best post scorer when he clearly struggles against length (always has) and that's just after we played a game where he scored 6 pts playing 21 min while shooting 25% on 12 attempts and missed a half dozen (or more) point blank layups. Never change VN...lol.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Why? Barnes has bigs chasing guys way too far out, getting the defense over spaced, and doing that lazy temp switch, which he’s done for years. The big usually ends up having the sprint back to the block as it’s an invitation for a pick and roll.
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Our players don’t look like they know what they’re trying to do against screens. I think Barnes has his hands full with so many first year players on his team. We have a lot to iron out as this season wanes.

Okpara hedges too far out and ends up having to swap every time against a guard. It looks like he’s trying to trap but he is doing it alone. Estrella maybe doesn’t hedge far enough? I have noticed something off when both of the centers are involved, but I can’t say exactly what it is about Estrella.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
It's really bizarre to hear some argue unequivocally that Carey is our best post scorer when he clearly struggles against length (always has) and that's just after we played a game where he scored 6 pts playing 21 min while shooting 25% on 12 attempts and missed a half dozen (or more) point blank layups. Never change VN...lol.
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He’s the only guy I’ve noticed in the post who works to get closer and uses the backboard. Estrella and Okpara go to the sky hook, which works sometimes, but puts them in a bad spot to go for the rebound when they miss.
 
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Volnanza said:
What is he, 6'6'' and 265. If he can run and has decent hands, then that's exactly what the NFL wants. Blocking would be the biggest obstacle. Blocking is a learned skill.
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He’s listed as 6’8”. I don’t know how tall he really is.. I wish we could get official heights instead of program listings.

I remember Grand and Admiral both “growing” 1 inch sometime around 2017.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
It's really bizarre to hear some argue unequivocally that Carey is our best post scorer when he clearly struggles against length (always has) and that's just after we played a game where he scored 6 pts playing 21 min while shooting 25% on 12 attempts and missed a half dozen (or more) point blank layups. Never change VN...lol.
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Name anyone on the team who doesn’t struggle against length. 😂
 
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adam.vol said:
Our players don’t look like they know what they’re trying to do against screens. I think Barnes has his hands full with so many first year players on his team. We have a lot to iron out as this season wanes.

Okpara hedges too far out and ends up having to swap every time against a guard. It looks like he’s trying to trap but he is doing it alone. Estrella maybe doesn’t hedge far enough? I have noticed something off when both of the centers are involved, but I can’t say exactly what it is about Estrella.
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Literally, EVERY team has mostly new players. Far fewer restrictions on pre-season contact and coaching. We ought to be seeing the cleanest ball ever.
 
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