"Welfare"

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#51
armchair said:
UPS pays people $8.50 an hour to unload tractor trailers--and expects one big truck to be unloaded every hour. It's a joke. Modern-day slavery. America has got poor because American businesses don't like paying people. It is shameful.
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It's America. You have the option to better yourself and find a job that pays more than $8.50 an hour. For the record, ANYONE who has 2 arms can unload a truck. It literally takes no skill other than the ability to stand and lift.
 
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#52
1972 Grad said:
I've been cleaning an apartment for days after evicting a couple. They were undoubtedly 2 of the nastiest living m'fers that I ever had for tenants. I am still working on the stove. I have the bathroom pretty much in order, and most of the kitchen.
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Often poor people have zero respect for themselves or anything else...hence why they are often miserable scumbags who enjoy wallowing in squalor.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Often poor people have zero respect for themselves or anything else...hence why they are often miserable scumbags who enjoy wallowing in squalor.
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And this type of attitude is the reason poor people think that well-to-do people are "often miserable scumbags". Oh the sweet irony.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Often poor people have zero respect for themselves or anything else...hence why they are often miserable scumbags who enjoy wallowing in squalor.
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He has a decent job that pays well above minimum wage. I found a stub he left behind that had his yearly totals on it. His girlfriend also worked at a low paying job, and the rent is very reasonable. He never paid on time. I always have the place extremely clean when it comes time for a new tenant, but don't ever go in their place while they are living there, unless I am asked to fix something. I also keep everything fixed, and operating well.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Often poor people have zero respect for themselves or anything else...hence why they are often miserable scumbags who enjoy wallowing in squalor.
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A lot of poor people are simply young folks from whom money is taken from their paycheck and given to older, wealthier folk. What a country.
 
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1972 Grad said:
He has a decent job that pays well above minimum wage. I found a stub he left behind that had his yearly totals on it. His girlfriend also worked at a low paying job, and the rent is very reasonable. He never paid on time. I always have the place extremely clean when it comes time for a new tenant, but don't ever go in their place while they are living there, unless I am asked to fix something. I also keep everything fixed, and operating well.
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I've found lateness is just the tip of the tenant iceberg.
 
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midnight orange said:
Then by all means continue.
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It's a Ponzi scheme. I took care of my own retirement, but I will accept my Social Security because I had to pay both parts of both it, and my Medicare. Employer has to match SS and Medicare, and since I was self employed........
 
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#60
1972 Grad said:
It's a Ponzi scheme. I took care of my own retirement, but I will accept my Social Security because I had to pay both parts of both it, and my Medicare. Employer has to match SS and Medicare, and since I was self employed........
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I would cash the social security checks also (while it lasts). But it's days are numbered without major changes such as means testing or when the bond market says "no more" to U.S.debt.
 
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midnight orange said:
I would cash the social security checks also (while it lasts). But it's days are numbered without major changes such as means testing or when the bond market says "no more" to U.S.debt.
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means testing.... you pay in and get nothing out.. Brillant
 
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1972 Grad said:
It's a Ponzi scheme. I took care of my own retirement, but I will accept my Social Security because I had to pay both parts of both it, and my Medicare. Employer has to match SS and Medicare, and since I was self employed........
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It's the worst kind of ponzi scheme. It forces the poor to pay for the retirement of the wealthier class.

A blue collar fella who works from 18-65 typically dies younger. So he worked 47 years and got, say, 5 years of retirement. A white collar fella more typically works 22-60 and then lives longer, so he worked 38 years and gets, say, 20 years of retirement. It's a huge transfer of wealth, and that's not even mentioning that it might not be there when I retire.

Almost everybody is on the same page about SS#, but we can't get any meaningful change.
 
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Biopsyman said:
means testing.... you pay in and get nothing out.. Brillant
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Well, that's one of the very few tools left to perpetuate this scam. You can't get blood from a turnip and the government has no compunction about stealing money. The brilliance was the creation of this thing in the first place. If it wasn't going to hurt people, it would be entertaining to watch this great swindle come to it's predictable at conception ending.
 
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#64
Roustabout said:
I don't want the welfare state, regardless of demographics, making decisions for the country.
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I don't want one demographic, whose members can chose to remain in it or not, to make all decisions for America. I'm talking about liberal City Dwellers. They are 62.7% of the population, but occupy ONLY 3.5% of the land area. Rural and suburban dwellers who have stewardship of 96.5% of the land don't have to let City Dwellers bully them..

Best way to say it.
Thank God for the Electoral College this year.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's the worst kind of ponzi scheme. It forces the poor to pay for the retirement of the wealthier class.

A blue collar fella who works from 18-65 typically dies younger. So he worked 47 years and got, say, 5 years of retirement. A white collar fella more typically works 22-60 and then lives longer, so he worked 38 years and gets, say, 20 years of retirement. It's a huge transfer of wealth, and that's not even mentioning that it might not be there when I retire.

Almost everybody is on the same page about SS#, but we can't get any meaningful change.
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"rich" people don't get SS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's the worst kind of ponzi scheme. It forces the poor to pay for the retirement of the wealthier class.

A blue collar fella who works from 18-65 typically dies younger. So he worked 47 years and got, say, 5 years of retirement. A white collar fella more typically works 22-60 and then lives longer, so he worked 38 years and gets, say, 20 years of retirement. It's a huge transfer of wealth, and that's not even mentioning that it might not be there when I retire.

Almost everybody is on the same page about SS#, but we can't get any meaningful change.
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Bush II made a mediocre attempt. The squealing from big government types was deafening.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
I don't want one demographic, whose members can chose to remain in it or not, to make all decisions for America. I'm talking about liberal City Dwellers. They are 62.7% of the population, but occupy ONLY 3.5% of the land area. Rural and suburban dwellers who have stewardship of 96.5% of the land don't have to let City Dwellers bully them..

Best way to say it.
Thank God for the Electoral College this year.
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That is also why we have two senators from each state no matter what the population is. Our founding fathers really did it right.
 
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VolStrom said:
That is also why we have two senators from each state no matter what the population is. Our founding fathers really did it right.
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No idea how anybody can say this in light of the fact we have $19T in debt.

The founders did an amazing thing, but I wouldn't say they "did it right". The government they built has always been very problematic.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No idea how anybody can say this in light of the fact we have $19T in debt.

The founders did an amazing thing, but I wouldn't say they "did it right". The government they built has always been very problematic.
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What other country would you say has a better system than ours?
 
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n_huffhines said:
No idea how anybody can say this in light of the fact we have $19T in debt.

The founders did an amazing thing, but I wouldn't say they "did it right". The government they built has always been very problematic.
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How do you connect our debt to the FF?
Creation of Fed Reserve?
 
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VolStrom said:
What other country would you say has a better system than ours?
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Of the top of my head Switzerland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand don't have near the debt to GDP ratio and are probably comparable on the heritage freedom list.
 
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midnight orange said:
Of the top of my head Switzerland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand don't have near the debt to GDP ratio and are probably comparable on the heritage freedom list.
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What have any of those countries contributed to the rest of the world? They look after themselves, they are protected mostly by others and for the most part don't get involved in anything that doesn't affect their standard of living.
Australia and New Zealand are protected by water, Canada is protected by the best border country of any in the world and Switzerland is surrounded by France, Germany and Italy, pretty good Neighbors.
 
#75
#75
VolStrom said:
What have any of those countries contributed to the rest of the world? They look after themselves, they are protected mostly by others and for the most part don't get involved in anything that doesn't affect their standard of living.
Australia and New Zealand are protected by water, Canada is protected by the best border country of any in the world and Switzerland is surrounded by France, Germany and Italy, pretty good Neighbors.
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I can think of at least two times in history when being a neighbor to Germany was very bad thing.
 
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