Welfare State

#57
#57
Vol Main said:
A lot of people in Florida stood in line for hours. One cause is the time required to read through the numerous State Constitutional Amendments on the ballot. Of all the campaign lit I received, none provided copies of the amendments, so it took me a long time just to read them; then I had to decide how to vote. Some were short and simple, but several of the amendments were very long, written in complex legally stilted language.
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I read somewhere earlier today, (lost the link, sorry) that the places where lines where the longest tended to be strong Dem areas. The people most likely to vote for O waited an average of 2 hours while those for R waited around 30 min.

Those numbers may be off (like I said I forget where I read it) but the disparity was a huge. That's either devotion to vote or some form of suppression by not setting up enough ballots to mover he lines said areas.
 
#58
#58
golfballs said:
The Dream act is one of many contributors, but the truth is, Romney was a poor candidate. Nobody felt truly compelled to vote for him. A good GOP candidate would have won considering such a terrible atmosphere
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I thought he was a poor candidate, until the first debate when his entire demeanor changed. Not that the other Republicans were good candidates, but all of them faced a very difficult problem. They had to appear ultra conservative during the nomination, and then appear acceptable to the majority during the general election. Romney was a phony throughout, but I thought he did as good a job towards the end as anyone in his position could have done.
 
#59
#59
Vol Main said:
I thought he was a poor candidate, until the first debate when his entire demeanor changed. Not that the other Republicans were good candidates, but all of them faced a very difficult problem. They had to appear ultra conservative during the nomination, and then appear acceptable to the majority during the general election. Romney was a phony throughout, but I thought he did as good a job towards the end as anyone in his position could have done.
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Democrats do the exact same thing. Play to the base, then move to the center for the general election.
 
#60
#60
PKT_VOL said:
Obama didn't pandered the sh*t out of his constituents?

Be fair.
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There was a great difference between the two. Obama's positions were consistently the same throughout the 2008 campaign, his first Administration, and the 2012 campaign. I think he believes in those positions, that they are his own. If you asked me what Mitt Romney actually believes, I could not tell you.
 
#61
#61
PKT_VOL said:
Democrats do the exact same thing. Play to the base, then move to the center for the general election.
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I would argue that the republicans have a disadvantage because they have to go soooooo far to the right on things like social issues. The let the evangelicals dictate their platform on too many issues during the primaries. Then they come out looking a bit crazy and tainted.

The Dems don't have a fringe group they have to win over in the same way. It's not like there is a large group of athesists defining their platform.
 
#62
#62
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I read somewhere earlier today, (lost the link, sorry) that the places where lines where the longest tended to be strong Dem areas. The people most likely to vote for O waited an average of 2 hours while those for R waited around 30 min.

Those numbers may be off (like I said I forget where I read it) but the disparity was a huge. That's either devotion to vote or some form of suppression by not setting up enough ballots to mover he lines said areas.
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Population density might be part of the problem, but I see no reason why provisions aren't made for that. I live in a rural Republican area. There was nobody ahead of me when I walked through the door. There was one person ahead of me at the table where I received the ballot. So I waited less than one minute.
 
#63
#63
Vol Main said:
There was a great difference between the two. Obama's positions were consistently the same throughout the 2008 campaign, his first Administration, and the 2012 campaign. I think he believes in those positions, that they are his own. If you asked me what Mitt Romney actually believes, I could not tell you.
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Gay marriage, clean coal, medical marijuana, individual mandate,etc,etc. Obama is a lying politician, just like Romney, just like all politicians.
 
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#64
Vol Main said:
There was a great difference between the two. Obama's positions were consistently the same throughout the 2008 campaign, his first Administration, and the 2012 campaign. I think he believes in those positions, that they are his own. If you asked me what Mitt Romney actually believes, I could not tell you.
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Um, how about the Book of Mormon??
 
#65
#65
Vol Main said:
There was a great difference between the two. Obama's positions were consistently the same throughout the 2008 campaign, his first Administration, and the 2012 campaign. I think he believes in those positions, that they are his own. If you asked me what Mitt Romney actually believes, I could not tell you.
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That can't be a serious post. Obama promised the world in '08 and broke too many promises to count.

They have different styles but they are no different; they will say anything to get elected.

Obama knowingly makes unfounded promises. In other words, he lies.

Romney is like the wind. Wherever the winds blows, he's there. He has no backbone. He stands for nothing but an empty suit.
 
#66
#66
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I would argue that the republicans have a disadvantage because they have to go soooooo far to the right on things like social issues. The let the evangelicals dictate their platform on too many issues during the primaries. Then they come out looking a bit crazy and tainted.

The Dems don't have a fringe group they have to win over in the same way. It's not like there is a large group of athesists defining their platform.
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The GOP has too many problems to count. You will see a totally different party by the midterms. Well, I guess I should add the caveat of "if they are smart".
 
#67
#67
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I would argue that the republicans have a disadvantage because they have to go soooooo far to the right on things like social issues. The let the evangelicals dictate their platform on too many issues during the primaries. Then they come out looking a bit crazy and tainted.

The Dems don't have a fringe group they have to win over in the same way. It's not like there is a large group of athesists defining their platform.
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You cannot be serious.

Joe Lieberman doesn't fit in your party anymore because your base is so far left.
 
#68
#68
volfanjustin said:
You cannot be serious.

Joe Lieberman doesn't fit in your party anymore because your base is so far left.
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Let's put it this way. The far right is more out of touch with America than the far left. This is because most of America is not socially conservative when it comes to politics. There are a lot of people, like myself, that are conservative in our own life but socially liberal when it comes to politics.
 
#69
#69
KoachKletus said:
...or be credited for reversing the raygunomic trickle down failure.
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economics genius here. Trickle up is clearly the better program. Look at what massive welfare states have done for European financial clout. Can't wait to get there.
 
#70
#70
BigPapaVol said:
economics genius here. Trickle up is clearly the better program. Look at what massive welfare states have done for European financial clout. Can't wait to get there.
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But Obama isn't doing neither of those two options. His plan is middle out.

Middle out does work. I have been doing that for the last 5 years. I have gone from 210 to 235 and it is all in the middle growing out. It is slow growth, a little over a 10% gain in 5 years.
 
#71
#71
Gramps said:
But Obama isn't doing neither of those two options. His plan is middle out.

Middle out does work. I have been doing that for the last 5 years. I have gone from 210 to 235 and it is all in the middle growing out. It is slow growth, a little over a 10% gain in 5 years.
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LOL... as someone with a background in economics, I'd like for you to explain "middle out economics." How does it work?
 
#73
#73
Gramps said:
But Obama isn't doing neither of those two options. His plan is middle out.

Middle out does work. I have been doing that for the last 5 years. I have gone from 210 to 235 and it is all in the middle growing out. It is slow growth, a little over a 10% gain in 5 years.
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I thought you were being serious initially. The bottom line is that businesses employing people has to be the basis of governmental revenues and it's the only way to perpetuate the system. The rest is frictional expense.
 
#74
#74
Gramps said:
Oh, excuse me. I didn't realize we were discussing economics.....LOL
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So could you explain this grand "Middle Out Theory" to me? I don't think they're teaching it in America's cesspools of stupidity known as universities.

How does "middle out" work? I'm very curious...
 
#75
#75
Gannon Goodson said:
So could you explain this grand "Middle Out Theory" to me? I don't think they're teaching it in America's cesspools of stupidity known as universities.

How does "middle out" work? I'm very curious...
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I think they are. It involved possibly drinking a lot of beer.
 
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