Weinke and the running backs

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JonGrudensAgent said:
Considering Jones never was capable of putting a legit SEC O line with a legit O line coach on the field and we still saw Hurd, Kamara, and Kelly have success, running back is the least of my concerns. Chandler showed flashes last season and they brought in some thumpers.

I think Weinke will be a plus in recruiting and can handle teaching the position just fine.

Will Friend will be the one to keep an eye on with regards to making improvements to his squad. Not only dealing with some major attrition, he's gonna have to rebuild the entire mind set of the O line.
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I really believe Friend is the most underated coach on an elite staff. There was definitely a reason he was the highest paid non power 5 assistant coach. And he's supposedly just as good as anyone in recruiting. Can't wait to see our OLine develop and play under him.
 
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Roustabout said:
Randy Sanders was RB coach during a really good time for UT running backs. He was a QB.
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This! Also Tee Coached receivers at UK and does it at USC also. Pat Washington coached receivers at TN and he was a QB. Being a former QB it should be beneficial in teaching the blocking that will help his QB.
 
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Roustabout said:
Randy Sanders was RB coach during a really good time for UT running backs. He was a QB.
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And Trooper Taylor was a very good running backs coach for us when he’d only ever coached WRs before. As you’re suggesting, no one should get hung up on Weinke, a QB when he played, coaching running backs
 
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d3ft punk said:
Coaching 101: Who the running back blocks :: WRALSportsFan.com

Coaching 101: Running back route tree :: WRALSportsFan.com
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Also, to piggy back off of what the coach said in the first video whenever you ID the mike it can be two fold. 1.) like the guy said getting everyone on the same page and get into a hard focus. 2.) shift your protections, meaning if you have a 4-4 front and you do not want your RB at 195lbs blocking a 240lb LB you can "move the mike" so that everyone shifts one man or two so it creates better match ups for your RB. Good stuff though!

Also, I should mention that if it is a mike protection (using video example) and you get a blitz from the Sam and the will you are hot... So that would make the second rushers his, that is where you get people saying "he is holding the ball too long" so sacks can also be attributed to the QB not understanding his protections as well. That is also where you get so much RPO in offenses... Because that creates the ability to option that extra rusher... The modernized flexbone/option offense.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Also, to piggy back off of what the coach said in the first video whenever you ID the mike it can be two fold. 1.) like the guy said getting everyone on the same page and get into a hard focus. 2.) shift your protections, meaning if you have a 4-4 front and you do not want your RB at 195lbs blocking a 240lb LB you can "move the mike" so that everyone shifts one man or two so it creates better match ups for your RB. Good stuff though!
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I hated how slow the HUNH was under Jones. I could never understand how they could run out of play clock in an uptempo offense. Even with Dobbs in there it always seemed to be a slow mess. If you’re gonna take until 5 seconds on the play clock at least get the protections right.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Also, to piggy back off of what the coach said in the first video whenever you ID the mike it can be two fold. 1.) like the guy said getting everyone on the same page and get into a hard focus. 2.) shift your protections, meaning if you have a 4-4 front and you do not want your RB at 195lbs blocking a 240lb LB you can "move the mike" so that everyone shifts one man or two so it creates better match ups for your RB. Good stuff though!
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It doesnt matter if he's 175 lbs.
He better pass block with all his heart or he won't see the field.

And if it were against a 4-4 all the backers are same size anyway.
 
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LittleVol said:
It doesnt matter if he's 175 lbs.
He better pass block with all his heart or he won't see the field.

And if it were against a 4-4 all the backers are same size anyway.
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I understand what you are saying but no matter how much you have the "by God you better be able to block Ray Lewis coming through their. That stance just isn't realistic, sure you can chip him or try to cut him. Just ask Westbrook from his days at the Jags how that went.

Also, I was using it as a random example (all 4-4 LBs aren't really the same size) it's usually a safety type hybrid overhang LB and a true ILB on the inside... Body type is different because the role is different...

Side note: Surr you will not tell your RB "you can't block that LB. You will also give him leverage tools in his box to win against a bigger guy but if they have the same or close to the same pad level bigger guy wins 100% of the time.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Also, to piggy back off of what the coach said in the first video whenever you ID the mike it can be two fold. 1.) like the guy said getting everyone on the same page and get into a hard focus. 2.) shift your protections, meaning if you have a 4-4 front and you do not want your RB at 195lbs blocking a 240lb LB you can "move the mike" so that everyone shifts one man or two so it creates better match ups for your RB. Good stuff though!

Also, I should mention that if it is a mike protection (using video example) and you get a blitz from the Sam and the will you are hot... So that would make the second rushers his, that is where you get people saying "he is holding the ball too long" so sacks can also be attributed to the QB not understanding his protections as well. That is also where you get so much RPO in offenses... Because that creates the ability to option that extra rusher... The modernized flexbone/option offense.
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I definitely think in the next few yrs we won't have any RB's under 200-205 lbs. Very few if any RPO's too If I had to guess. I'm so glad we're getting away from a Butch Jones type spread offense. Give me a modern day/ hybrid pro style offense.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I understand what you are saying but no matter how much you have the "by God you better be able to block Ray Lewis coming through their. That stance just isn't realistic, sure you can chip him or try to cut him. Just ask Westbrook from his days at the Jags how that went.

Also, I was using it as a random example (all 4-4 LBs aren't really the same size) it's usually a safety type hybrid overhang LB and a true ILB on the inside... Body type is different because the role is different...

Side note: Surr you will not tell your RB "you can't block that LB. You will also give him leverage tools in his box to win against a bigger guy but if they have the same or close to the same pad level bigger guy wins 100% of the time.
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Bringing in bigger RB's will help eliminate the smaller Butch Jones type RB being overmatched when having to block. Also recruiting all the TE's we are, some who are great pass catchers and others who are more blocking TE's will help. It helps out the OLine, RB and especially the QB.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I definitely think in the next few yrs we won't have any RB's under 200-205 lbs. Very few if any RPO's too If I had to guess. I'm so glad we're getting away from a Butch Jones type spread offense. Give me a modern day/ hybrid pro style offense.
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If you aren't running RPO's you're behind. No way we can not have that in our arsenal.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
If you aren't running RPO's you're behind. No way we can not have that in our arsenal.
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Agreed. The UT offense will be much more multiple. I expect the Vols offense will be much like what Lane Kiffin ran while he was at Bama.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
If you aren't running RPO's you're behind. No way we can not have that in our arsenal.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't run them, just not something that we see a lot during each game. Maybe 8-10 per game, depending on the QB.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't run them, just not something that we see a lot during each game. Maybe 8-10 per game, depending on the QB.
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I can agree with that... Not many people run that many RPO's even the Eagles in the SB didn't run that many... Unlike the commentators said.
 
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gunner said:
Agreed. The UT offense will be much more multiple. I expect the Vols offense will be much like what Lane Kiffin ran while he was at Bama.
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I think how many will depend on the QB. Kiffin had Sims one year, Coker then Hurts. They ran more RPO's with Sims and Hurts because they were better runners than passers. He didn't run many with Coker as his QB. I have no doubt Helton runs enough to keep Defense's honest and know we will run it. If Chryst wins the job, we probably won't see as many as we would if JG wins the job. Don't think Helton wants his QB's taking more hits than they already will be. Unless we get better OLine play. Don't think they want to see another QB outside of Chryst and JG starting this yr. Shrout needs a RS yr and God help us if we get down to McBride having to start a game again.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I can agree with that... Not many people run that many RPO's even the Eagles in the SB didn't run that many... Unlike the commentators said.
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I really think it depends on the QQ if we had success running them vs a certain team and they refuse to adjust the D to stop it then run it till they stop it. But I definitely agree what you said earlier about it being a part of the offense. Any extra wrinkles to keep Defense's honest.
 
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I guess the disaster that was the coaching search really hurt my opinion of what coach we got but now things have settled down I really like what I see from our new staff and honestly believe things are going to get really good really fast. I think weinke was a great hire and will do just fine.
 
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d3ft punk said:
I hated how slow the HUNH was under Jones. I could never understand how they could run out of play clock in an uptempo offense. Even with Dobbs in there it always seemed to be a slow mess. If you’re gonna take until 5 seconds on the play clock at least get the protections right.
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They slowed it down on purpose. The philosophy of how to attack defenses was the problem. Not necessarily the tempo.
 
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