Weight room overhaul

[volfanbill]

I get it, but I'm just different. I enjoy getting excited, even if I know, or think it won't turn out the way I hope. Not just with football.

Not telling you anything you don't know, but life is full of disappointments and I never know where they're going to come from. So I just try to enjoy everything as best as I can.

I’m normally at least quite optimistic, but between the past decade and everything going on with my new job and new role at work, I guess I’m focused on other things. I should have a handle on everything by fall though

 

[tbh]

Apperantly all the Bowflexs and treadmills weren't conducive to winning football

Yep, that and I heard that all the 'shake-weights' left in a moving van bound for Tuscaloosa fairly recently.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Stop.

There is no S or C methodology which can be proven to directly affect injury rates. The reason is that the subject is not quantifiable.

Simply, it is a guessing game based on the measurable gains in strength, power and plyometric capabilities. The correlation between "gains" and injury probabilities is suggested but unproven and never will be in any sporting activity that incorporates collision, explosive movements and multi-athlete participation.

Out of everything I said you only criticized the portion about injuries.... Well, working out (properly), proper stretching, and rest do affect how your body handles movements and things that can potentially injure you. It also allows your muscles to repair and grow. I simply stated that the types of workouts Fitz plans on doing should help lower injury rates. Simple movements such as cuts, jumps, quick acceleration, etc. Can seriously damage your body if you aren't working out properly, stretching to build elasticity, and resting. That is proven. So again it is very noticeable how big our guys have become with Fitz in charge of the S&C and last year during the Orange and White game we had so few people they couldn't even make it a game..... This year we only had a couple out with injuries and the rest were injuries from last year. So, obviously that is quantifiable Sir.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

We had our players caring logs.

Yes not very conducive to the human body. The Seals do it as a team building exercise but what you don't hear about are all the Seals(Trainees) who get hurt doing it. I suppose most people don't care about that though....

I have personally carried Logs in the military and it blows. Just saying.

 

[volfanbill]

Yes not very conducive to the human body. The Seals do it as a team building exercise but what you don't hear about are all the Seals(Trainees) who get hurt doing it. I suppose most people don't care about that though....

It was regular PT for years at Bragg. Literally NO ONE got hurt doing it.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It was regular PT for years at Bragg. Literally NO ONE got hurt doing it.

I did it at Bragg. 2-325th AIR. I agree that I didn't get hurt but I have seen people get hurt.

 

[volfanbill]

I did it at Bragg. 2-325th AIR. I agree that I didn't get hurt but I have seen people get hurt.

I’ve seen people get hurt getting out of a HMMWV. I’ve seen people hurt themselves with a piece of paper. Kinda overreacting.

 

[VolsnRavens]

Found some pics of the CBJ 5 Star heart training results and the weights. And we were called soft. hmmf

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I’ve seen people get hurt getting out of a HMMWV. I’ve seen people hurt themselves with a piece of paper. Kinda overreacting.

Haha, true very true. All I am suggesting is that improperly lifting anything can cause injuries. But okay I'll go with you on this one. Touche.

 

[volfanbill]

Haha, true very true. All I am suggesting is that improperly lifting anything can cause injuries. But okay I'll go with you on this one. Touche.

I get it. There’s benefits of log lifting though, when done properly. But everything has to be done properly to avoid injury.

The same posters making fun of Butch’s S&C program were ooh-ing and aweing when it was first created.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I get it. There’s benefits of log lifting though, when done properly. But everything has to be done properly to avoid injury.

The same posters making fun of Butch’s S&C program were ooh-ing and aweing when it was first created.

I understand your point. Honestly what I have looked at to evaluate the difference in last year's program and this year's is the product we put out from December 2017 up until the spring game. There was a significant difference in the size, mass, and shape of our players from last year. That's my opinion anyways.

 

[JettVol]

Nope, just an insatiable urge to avenge your best friend and win the Cold War

And a net full of rocks hanging from a wood beam

And the KGB trailing you during training runs

And a PED-engorged superhuman foe

And a wife that doubts you but supports you anyway

And a talking robot that develops a weird relationship with your wise-cracking brother-in-law

And an extended James Brown cameo

And “Hearts on Fire” playing in the background

And American flag trunks borrowed from said slain friend to send home the Cold War metaphor

And Brigitte Nielsen before she got with Flava Flav and looked like David Bowie addicted to crack

And a solid montage calling back scenes from three prior movies

And doing it for free on Christmas Day

Can we get some of Drago's juice for the season?

 

[VolBraniac]

...I simply stated that the types of workouts Fitz plans on doing should help lower injury rates.

Specifically, what programs are those? Give us a typical full-on Fitz day, what are the lifts, sets, reps...any plyometrics? Olympic lifts? Rest sequrnces? Are your programs that Fitz uses, what % of 1setmax are used for multiple rep lifts?

Simple movements such as cuts, jumps, quick acceleration, etc. Can seriously damage your body if you aren't working out properly, stretching to build elasticity, and resting. That is proven.

Proven? Where? You can stretch all you want, if that's a priority (post-rehab e.g.), I never found time to write a pre-stretch program into a regime. Stretch by warming up will low mass and high, full ROM repetitions of the movement you intend to perform.

So again it is very noticeable how big our guys have become with Fitz in charge of the S&C...

He did all that in ~ three months? How did you make the parallels? Did you just remember what players looked like? Before/after photos?

...and last year during the Orange and White game we had so few people they couldn't even make it a game..... This year we only had a couple out with injuries and the rest were injuries from last year. So, obviously that is quantifiable Sir.

Keep trying. Perhaps you can satisfy yourself as to your premises, but it ain't the way the real world of S/C works. Quantifiable results are the product of scientific approach to study setup, controls, statistical analysis and then, and only then, are the results quantifiable. That's the facts Jack.

Since you, or anyone else ftm, can't design any such study, all observable results (hypertrophy) are just that...observable...which has nothing to do with quantifiable.

What you are missing is the science of S/C e.g...

Supertraining by Yuri Verkhoshansky (Author), Mel Siff (Author) – Westside Barbell

sir.

 

[VolBraniac]

The same posters making fun of Butch’s S&C program were ooh-ing and awe-ing when it was first created.

Sure were.

I wasn't, I saw what was going on and knew it would be a less than professionally acceptable. There existed no chemistry in the weight room, little personal evaluation (of players needs), post-rehab was absurd and primeval.

The ones that ooh and awe had no idea what the specifics, the operational mechanics of Butch's S/C and if they did, on what expertise do they lay as the foundation for their opinions?

None.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Specifically, what programs are those? Give us a typical full-on Fitz day, what are the lifts, sets, reps...any plyometrics? Olympic lifts? Rest sequrnces? Are your programs that Fitz uses, what % of 1setmax are used for multiple rep lifts?



Proven? Where? You can stretch all you want, if that's a priority (post-rehab e.g.), I never found time to write a pre-stretch program into a regime. Stretch by warming up will low mass and high, full ROM repetitions of the movement you intend to perform.



He did all that in ~ three months? How did you make the parallels? Did you just remember what players looked like? Before/after photos?



Keep trying. Perhaps you can satisfy yourself as to your premises, but it ain't the way the real world of S/C works. Quantifiable results are the product of scientific approach to study setup, controls, statistical analysis and then, and only then, are the results quantifiable. That's the facts Jack.

Since you, or anyone else ftm, can't design any such study, all observable results (hypertrophy) are just that...observable...which has nothing to do with quantifiable.

What you are missing is the science of S/C e.g...

Supertraining by Yuri Verkhoshansky (Author), Mel Siff (Author) – Westside Barbell

sir.

I feel like I just ran into a brick wall of knowledge. Obviously you know more on the S&C side than I do. So since you do why don't you give me what you think they should be doing and your evaluation of our players from last year to this year.

They are observably bigger (the starters from last year) than they were last year. Guarantano doesn't look like a string bean anymore and weighs more of which all appears to be muscle.

Again I would like to hear your honest evaluation and take.

 

[Biopsyman]

What is the purpose of snapping heavy ropes in front of you... is it like doing a reverse curl?

 

[volfanbill]

Sure were.

I wasn't, I saw what was going on and knew it would be a less than professionally acceptable. There existed no chemistry in the weight room, little personal evaluation (of players needs), post-rehab was absurd and primeval.

The ones that ooh and awe had no idea what the specifics, the operational mechanics of Butch's S/C and if they did, on what expertise do they lay as the foundation for their opinions?

None.

Of course you saw that.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Something I dont understand is the whole "Fitzerald is putting a bigger emphasis on free weights" comments. I thought it has been pretty common knowledge for quite a few years now that free weights results in bigger gains than machines do. So you'd think EVERY Division 1 S&C coach would be emphasizing it. Were we not lifting with free weights over the last 10 years?

 

[T-TownVol]

What is the purpose of snapping heavy ropes in front of you... is it like doing a reverse curl?

Only of benefit if you are in front of a mirror.........

 

[VolBraniac]

What is the purpose of snapping heavy ropes in front of you... is it like doing a reverse curl?

A snapped rope creates a transversal wave - bored yet? - blah blah blah.

The overall movement is complex (all movements are complex in that there is no such thing as "isolating" one muscle) and requires a stable platform (locked-in-place body especially at the level of the shoulders) and rapid up-down movements of the arms (very simply put), as you noted, continuous biceps curl/extensions. It would be 'reverse' if your grip is palms down.

What a S/C coach is looking for in this movement is several things. The stability of the body under stress (maintaining balance), the acceleration of the ropes = power generation.

Power generation is the end-all game, is it not? Where power is a function of accelerating a mass over a period ( time). That is the fundamental equation for any/all athletic applications. Running, pushing in motion, ad infinitum.

S/C ought to be S/P/C most accurately described as the Job Qualifications.

 

[VolBraniac]

Something I dont understand is the whole "Fitzerald is putting a bigger emphasis on free weights" comments. I thought it has been pretty common knowledge for quite a few years now that free weights results in bigger gains than machines do. So you'd think EVERY Division 1 S&C coach would be emphasizing it. Were we not lifting with free weights over the last 10 years?

The question is "bigger gains". "Bigger gains" should imply better athletic performance v.s simple hypertrophy (visible muscular growth).

There is a reason that the premier power athletes (Olympic lifters) use machine-based training only in isolated physiological situations and rehab/post rehab. It is to regain muscular size after periods of [complete or limited] inactivity.

Athletic gains best occur when power is optimized in the S/C environment. A S/C coach wants to enhance the athlete's ability to apply force, absorb force, and to do so in a highly dynamic environment (e.g any play in football).

 

[VolBraniac]

[about carrying logs]

Yes not very conducive to the human body. The Seals do it as a team building exercise but what you don't hear about are all the Seals(Trainees) who get hurt doing it...

The concept of 'team building' is an important function of S/C coaching staff. The environment they create must support the chemistry of the team that is developed primarily outside of the weight room.

In the Mil, well, they have different agendas. I hope.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

The question is "bigger gains". "Bigger gains" should imply better athletic performance v.s simple hypertrophy (visible muscular growth).

There is a reason that the premier power athletes (Olympic lifters) use machine-based training only in isolated physiological situations and rehab/post rehab. It is to regain muscular size after periods of [complete or limited] inactivity.

Athletic gains best occur when power is optimized in the S/C environment. A S/C coach wants to enhance the athlete's ability to apply force, absorb force, and to do so in a highly dynamic environment (e.g any play in football).

Yeah but why is this seemingly new to OUR program? I thought this philosophy was widely accepted among all Division 1 S&C programs. In fact, I'm pretty sure this was implemented at one time under Fulmer after Nebraska physically destroyed us in 97.

 

[Roustabout]

Dooley was instrumental in the original design. I say tear it up and start over. Oh, wait.

 

[HooahVol]

Dooley was instrumental in the original design. I say tear it up and start over. Oh, wait.

Are you saying we should rebuild it brick by brick?