Website shows surplus military equipment purchased by each county police department.

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CNCVol88 said:
Police are there to protect law abiding citizens. They need to be able to rise to that occasion and not find themselves outgunned
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Supposedly they are here to SERVE and protect, yet the first part is almost always ignored. They are public servants.
 
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davethevol said:
Supposedly they are here to SERVE and protect, yet the first part is almost always ignored. They are public servants.
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Also Debatable. I feel like the kpd and the apd (work in Knoxville. Live in Alcoa.) does a pretty good job at that.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Also Debatable. I feel like the kpd and the apd (work in Knoxville. Live in Alcoa.) does a pretty good job at that.
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Some do. I've met a few fine KPD officers before that were very helpful. I've also observed some that were jackasses just waiting to start a fight. But that all goes back to the police organizations purposefully forgetting that they are public servants.
 
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davethevol said:
Some do. I've met a few fine KPD officers before that were very helpful. I've also observed some that were jackasses just waiting to start a fight. But that all goes back to the police organizations purposefully forgetting that they are public servants.
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That goes beyond the police man. You're always going to have good people and bad people. It doesn't just apply to the police. The vast majority of them are good.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
That goes beyond the police man. You're always going to have good people and bad people. It doesn't just apply to the police. The vast majority of them are good.
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No it doesn't. Not everyone is hired as a PUBLIC SERVANT. What part about that don't you get? I see now why you want to become a cop.
 
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davethevol said:
No it doesn't. Not everyone is hired as a PUBLIC SERVANT. What part about that don't you get? I see now why you want to become a cop.
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What? I honestly have no desire to become a cop and have never expressed said sentiments. I appreciate what the cops do but the fact that you can't see that there are ****ty people in all walks of life says a lot. Yes there are bad cops. Just as there are bad teachers, bosses, doctors, politicians, coworkers, etc. We are all human and we all have a sin nature. Some combat it and some indulge in it. Whether you're a burger flipper or a cop makes no difference in that.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
What? I honestly have no desire to become a cop and have never expressed said sentiments. I appreciate what the cops do but the fact that you can't see that there are ****ty people in all walks of life says a lot. Yes there are bad cops. Just as there are bad teachers, bosses, doctors, politicians, coworkers, etc. We are all human and we all have a sin nature. Some combat it and some indulge in it. Whether you're a burger flipper or a cop makes no difference in that.
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I must have you confused with another poster who said they were interested in going into law enforcement.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Do you honestly believe that's a majority of them? I've never once been assaulted by a cop. Never once been extorted. In fact, most times they let me off with a warning and tell me have a good night.
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I have been assaulted by a police officer. Specifically Prince George County, MD. Throw into a wall at CPAC for waving at Sarah Palin.

Other than that they are generally alright.
 
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AggieInTN said:
I have been assaulted by a police officer. Specifically Prince George County, MD. Throw into a wall at CPAC for waving at Sarah Palin.

Other than that they are generally alright.
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2 out of the hundreds if not thousands you've seen In your lifetime. Pretty good odds.

They probably just didn't like that A&M shirt you were most likely wearing. We're they yelling ROWWWW TIDE! while assaulting you?
 
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Military surplus in Lower Hudson goes to storm relief, protection against shooters

I just want to say I disagree with his premise that the shootings in Aurora and Newton indicated a need to increase the capability of the local police forces. In almost all of the mass shooting events in the US, the shooter(s) have either died from their own hands or from an encounter with a regular officer using what he or she already had in the squad car. I cannot think of an event where an armored response would have made any difference.

Considering that those armored vehicles and associated equipment would probably be in the motor pool and no local police department has officers sitting in a ready room, the event would be over before they could get out of the gate.

There are situations where it is appropriate, such as a hostage rescue where you have time to deploy, but they would not be available in a short lived mass shooting event, imo.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I like what they did with that HMMWV. Looks pretty cool if you ask me.

And I love how they talked about the Peacekeeper going to the one town. Talk about the largest POS the military ever bought. I'm surprised the Air Force didn't give them twenty just to get rid of them.
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In the end, this is exactly what the program is all about; dumping surplus and saving money by not having to pay to have it scrapped.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I like what they did with that HMMWV. Looks pretty cool if you ask me.

And I love how they talked about the Peacekeeper going to the one town. Talk about the largest POS the military ever bought. I'm surprised the Air Force didn't give them twenty just to get rid of them.
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Pretty good read on two Peacekeeprs in LEO use now

How to Rebuild a Peacekeeper | Hendon Publishing
 
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YorkVol said:
Military surplus in Lower Hudson goes to storm relief, protection against shooters

I just want to say I disagree with his premise that the shootings in Aurora and Newton indicated a need to increase the capability of the local police forces. In almost all of the mass shooting events in the US, the shooter(s) have either died from their own hands or from an encounter with a regular officer using what he or she already had in the squad car. I cannot think of an event where an armored response would have made any difference.

Considering that those armored vehicles and associated equipment would probably be in the motor pool and no local police department has officers sitting in a ready room, the event would be over before they could get out of the gate.

There are situations where it is appropriate, such as a hostage rescue where you have time to deploy, but they would not be available in a short lived mass shooting event, imo.
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The first officer was on scene in Aurora in like under 2 minutes. In that time, most of the damage had been done. All the SWAT response in the world wouldn't have made a difference.
 
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Burhead said:
Pretty good read on two Peacekeeprs in LEO use now

How to Rebuild a Peacekeeper | Hendon Publishing
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There have been a few departments that have redone the PK, but the problems aren't as much of the motor (which was underpowered at best) or the protection (which by today's standards might not be that great) but rather the fact it was crazy top heavy and would roll in the blink of an eye. There was just too much weight sitting on top of the chassis for the design.

And that top speed of 70 MPH is going downhill on I-40 east of Cookeville with the wind at the back. I've driven PKs before and let me tell you taking corners over about 5 MPH gets a little scary. But if the PD there is happy with them and saved a bunch of money, more power to them. For street driving it's probably okay. For anything other than a paved surface it's just not a vehicle I'd trust my life to.

Neat article BTW
 
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CNCVol88 said:
2 out of the hundreds if not thousands you've seen In your lifetime. Pretty good odds.

They probably just didn't like that A&M shirt you were most likely wearing. We're they yelling ROWWWW TIDE! while assaulting you?
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They were yelling words, but they would get censored here. I filed a complaint with the department, and the kid(Couldn't have been older than 21) who took my complaint said "You'd be surprised how many of these I take".

Apparently the cops are a bit out of control there.
 
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