Weather-Ice Storm

#77
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Who the heck is trying to argue that you can drive on ice?

Anyway, once you have been in a couple of wrecks (one being an eight car pileup) like I have you will change your tune.
 
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#78
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It is funny to hear people from the north talk about how they have no problem driving in the bad weather of the south. A few years ago in Asheville a study was done. It looked at over 5,000 accidents/incidents for like the last 10 years occuring during the winter or winter weather in Western NC. It was something like 68% of the wrecks the driver at fault was originally from the north, a transplant who learned to drive in the north, and over 80% of those did not involve any other car. Meaning they lost control of their vehicle.

My experience in driving in a variety of places around the world is that snow is very easy to drive on but not ice. In defense of some my only concern on the roads during inclement weather are the other drivers but as someone else pointed out when you do not have to drive in it very much it creates a greater danger for the roads.

But always love the people from up north with their driving stories in blizzards that they can do blind folded.:)

In all fairness, the only way IMO those numbers could be accurate is if you did an even study. Say 1000 northerners vs 1000 southerners all driving in the same weather. Or whatever number you wanna to with. The reason I say this is because there's a different mentality towards even getting out in the weather. Down here they call off school, work, etc. for weather in cases where it wouldn't even be a consideration up north. In many cases people who've spent a lot of time up north don't even think twice about getting out in weather, while many people down here get in a bomb shelter and look at you like you're crazy for even thinking about driving. So unless they did the study on an even playing field with an even number of people from each region I can't see that I can roll with that. It could very well be that northerners are more inclined to get out in the weather resulting in more wrecks by northerners. JMO.
 
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Who the heck is trying to argue that you can drive on ice?

Anyway, once you have been in a couple of wrecks (one being an eight car pileup) like I have you will change your tune.

I think the problem with this argument is that everyone is leaning too hard to one side or the other. There's no middle ground. People either see it one way or the other. The folks saying you can't drive on ice are insinuating that Knoxville is basically one solid sheet of ice which couldn't be further from the truth. There are a lot of patches of ice which can be dangerous. But I don't think anyone (atleast me) is saying to go drive on a road with a mile long stretch of ice. But for folks to call people idiots for driving in today's weather is laughable at best. I've been out today. There were bad spots. Several bridges had ice on them. I'm here to tell about it. Note...some people live way back where the ice is bad which obviously is gonna change their view of things. Again, it's all an opinion. I've seen nothing that would keep me from getting in my car and going this second. My subdivision is by far the worst place I've seen today. But for some, it takes an idiot to get out in this stuff. In reality, it's just another day of mudslinging on VolNation....enjoy my friend.
 
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I lived in North Dakota for 40 years. Drove in all kinds of conditions. Complete white outs, -35, wind howling. Highways complete sheet ice at times, at other times a foot of snow. And usually, in the spring 6 to 8 inches of slush during the thaw. Not one wreck in 40 years. The big difference is that we get used to traveling on ice. #1 is ya don't tailgate. #2 is put the car in neutral when you need to stop. But the biggest difference is that we didn't have nearly the amount of traffic as we do down here. Ice don't scare me to drive on it - other drivers scare the hell out of me.
 
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In all fairness, the only way IMO those numbers could be accurate is if you did an even study. Say 1000 northerners vs 1000 southerners all driving in the same weather. Or whatever number you wanna to with. The reason I say this is because there's a different mentality towards even getting out in the weather. Down here they call off school, work, etc. for weather in cases where it wouldn't even be a consideration up north. In many cases people who've spent a lot of time up north don't even think twice about getting out in weather, while many people down here get in a bomb shelter and look at you like you're crazy for even thinking about driving. So unless they did the study on an even playing field with an even number of people from each region I can't see that I can roll with that. It could very well be that northerners are more inclined to get out in the weather resulting in more wrecks by northerners. JMO.

I will try and pull the study it was a few years ago. I am not sure the break down and could be total drivers but I do think it was between specific demographics.
 
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I lived in North Dakota for 40 years. Drove in all kinds of conditions. Complete white outs, -35, wind howling. Highways complete sheet ice at times, at other times a foot of snow. And usually, in the spring 6 to 8 inches of slush during the thaw. Not one wreck in 40 years. The big difference is that we get used to traveling on ice. #1 is ya don't tailgate. #2 is put the car in neutral when you need to stop. But the biggest difference is that we didn't have nearly the amount of traffic as we do down here. Ice don't scare me to drive on it - other drivers scare the hell out of me.

One of the issues with the south and other warmer regions is the lack of experience in driving in inclement weather because issues I have seen are exactly what you are saying not to do. Another major factor in the south is also the fact the roads are usually not prepped as well or many times after the fact.

And yes my only concern out there are the other drivers. Sliding on ice is just like threshold braking, just got know when to accelerate out of it.:)
 
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One of the issues with the south and other warmer regions is the lack of experience in driving in inclement weather because issues I have seen are exactly what you are saying not to do. Another major factor in the south is also the fact the roads are usually not prepped as well or many times after the fact.

And yes my only concern out there are the other drivers. Sliding on ice is just like threshold braking, just got know when to accelerate out of it.:)

Prepping the roads up north is one thing they don't do unless absolutely necessary. In North Dakota they don't use salt or any sort of brine. To expensive and just washes away. Minnesota uses salt. Don't buy a used car from Minnesota. :p North Dakota and Montana just spread sand if conditions at ramps, etc. get to dicey. The main thing for all to learn if one must drive on ice,,don't tailgate,,put it in neutral when coming to a stop,,if you start sliding, back off the throttle and be calm. 90% of the time you can steer out of a slide. If you have front wheel drive you can power out of a slide - if you can catch some solid pavement. Rear wheel drive vehicle will not power you out of a slide and most of the times make it worse. Main thing to remember is to be a prima facia driver. As first conditions permit is how one should drive.
 
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Be sure to call FEMA & TEMA .
One or both should be able to help.
Sorry you have so much damage from the storm but help is near.

Actually it's being rumored that FEMA was already here a few days before it hit. Many speculating that it might have been an inside job by our government.
 
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Here's a fairly reliable model depiction for what could possibly be in store next weekend. Odds of this map being correct exactly as depicted are very low but safe to say it bears watching. I wouldn't mind seeing it as long as it's after all our weekend visitors have left however this map is actually for the Friday-Saturday time period after we get in the mid 60's on Tuesday. Again confidence is low this will happen exactly as depicted so not being a negaVol just giving a heads up on something to keep an eye on.

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Knoxville/Chattanooga showing 12-18"


Has is stayed the same thus far?
 
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