Wealth gap is at critical mass

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NorthDallas40 said:
F the friggin millennials. Let’s live to 100 just to spite the little *****
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I’m with you Dallas!

I could use to lose a few pounds, but I never smoked. And my Mom who was always a pleasantly plump little Dago, Sicilian actually, will live to see 91 the week we play Alabama if I were to wager...
 
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zaqhhh said:
I'd much rather pay more taxes and not have ridiculous premiums and deductibles. You know, kinda like how every other country has worked things out.

If you make the decision to smoke, you should pay higher penalties. If you, without a genetic condition, get ridiculously obese you should pay more.

But remember how I talked of prevention? We don't focus on that in our current healthcare system. If the government pays for it you better believe Democrats and Republicans are going to want to make sure we prevent those conditions as a cost control measure.
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You are batshit crazy, the government pays for nothing! We the taxpayers pay for everything (I think I know where you get confused).

Also you are making the argument that the government should be dictating how we live our lives?
 
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zaqhhh said:
LMAO, Do you know what single payer means? The government is taking over costs and insurance. They still have to pay costs to hospitals/etc. So yes they want to control costs... They don't want to pay more. Lobbyists for private care is what you are thinking of...which is the system we have now.

So if prevention is only based on the individual... Why do other countries with these systems do so much better on prevention than we do? It's about instilling a culture.

If 100 people know by common sense that brushing their teeth several times a day is the good thing to do. 75 might, 25 might decide not to.

If 100 people go to the dentist and hear "you need to brush your teeth because you are at risk of developing cavities, gingivitis, and yellowing." Then that number is likely going to rise to 90-95.

So yes it starts with the individual but that is far from the only factor.

Personal responsibility only goes so far. Yes some people with preventable diseases do go to the doctor and still end up with it, but many more do not. It's not going to fix everything, but would it improve it hell yes!

One issue in your logic is that the current system where there is little collective responsibility means there isn't a collective (and thereby individual) cost.

Healthcare costs are collective regardless because hospitals can't deny care to someone who needs it. So if someone gets a preventable condition and needs care, they still get it and when they can't pay for it. The hospital covers it and the cost gets passed along to insurance companies who raise it on the rest of us.

Single Payer just gives us greater control of a cost we are already paying.

Not going to get into your Vitamin D deficiency. Many people do need more of it, it's an incredibly vital vitamin. Could he be prescribing it to make more? Depends on what type of practice and insurance set up he has.

I made fun of hog for assuming I want the government to control every aspect of life. Should the government insure healthcare to all (and thereby increase preventative measures)? Yes absolutely.

Saying I want government to control health insurance is far different than saying I want government to say take control of every industry, all wealth, and start monitoring my living room.
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So if single payer was passed tomorrow our government will suddenly be able to control costs? If that’s the case we should have passed that shizz 200 years ago.
 
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Wait I remember this kid. In grad school studying something related to hospital administration I believe. In his 20’s I think. He gave us these same wonderful answers about a year ago I think 😂
 
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hog88 said:
Progressives believe in and want full government control of their lives so it’s not surprising they want single payer.
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That's not what progressives want.
And single payer health care is just better and cheaper for everyone.
 
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luthervol said:
That's not what progressives want.
And single payer health care is just better and cheaper for everyone.
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You ok with paying double or triple vs. now, and some folks paying zero... for your single payer health care. You ok with prioritization... elderly to the back of the queue.
 
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NEVolFan said:
You ok with paying double or triple vs. now, and some folks paying zero... for your single payer health care. You ok with prioritization... elderly to the back of the queue.
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I'm okay with better and cheaper.
 
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luthervol said:
That's not what progressives want.
And single payer health care is just better and cheaper for everyone.
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I understand your belief that single payer could be cheaper. I don’t understand your belief that it could be “better”.

We have the finest specialized care in the world.

Remarkable levels of care for those of us that can access it. Not all of us can access it though. I’m capable of admitting that.
 
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Catching up on this thread makes me laugh . Health care as a right leading to a government controlled nation wide health care plan will somehow reform our system and make our politicians control government costs , while focusing on prevention therefore leading to better and cheaper healthcare cost for that same government full of bloated , lying , stealing , corrupt , self-serving politicians . Is that what I just read ? SMH LOL
 
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luthervol said:
That's not what progressives want.
And single payer health care is just better and cheaper for everyone.
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You cant say "better and cheaper" with anything the government does. Again I will ask give me one example of the government saving money via one of their programs. Especially one that even comes close to the same scale.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Catching up on this thread makes me laugh . Health care as a right leading to a government controlled nation wide health care plan will somehow reform our system and make our politicians control government costs , while focusing on prevention therefore leading to better and cheaper healthcare cost for that same government full of bloated , lying , stealing , corrupt , self-serving politicians . Is that what I just read ? SMH LOL
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Yeah the same government that has run up a 22 trillion tab is suddenly going to run on budget after the people give up any free will they have regarding their own healthcare and tax rates double.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah the same government that has run up a 22 trillion tab is suddenly going to run on budget after the people give up any free will they have regarding their own healthcare and tax rates double.
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This is why I don't get the blind confidence in govt from the left. There is zero accountability.

They're given salaries that most Americans will never see, they use their power to enrich themselves financially, they make terrible decisions, and they run up insane amounts of debt. And when their time in office is over, they walk away with no repercussions and are a heck of a lot richer than when they held took that job. Whatever bad decisions they made, they know they probably won't be affected.
 
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zaqhhh said:
First off, the ACA cut uninsured rates in half though I agree that it wasn't the best.

Democrats shouldn't have caved and took out the public option. Better yet, they should have just provided single payer.

Second, NEVER did I say the country was horrid. I said inequality in the country was horrid. But nice try parsing my words to fit your agenda.

Deregulation? Let me guess you still kneel at the altar of trickle down economics? Makes sense that you call everything you don't like socialism.

You are likely to die off long before me bud so hold off while you can, but the future marches on.
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You're probably right. My only concern is the massive worthlessness of your generation won't be able to support me in my old age (net zero taxes you guys are fond of don't help us old farts) , and that your progressive BS will totally screw up this country before I am gone.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Much more got it than lost it. As far as being THE fix... That comes down to where you stand. If you were a moderate Dem, maybe it was though even most of those backed a public option which was pivotal when that got lost.

For progressives like myself, Single Payer has always been the way to go. It would cut costs per capita, insure all, and end many of the ridiculous breaks pharma gets.

Would it raise costs overall? Probably, but not by as much as many people think. Costs would rise to begin with as people who couldn't afford care before flood the system. But given focus on preventative care instead of reactive, costs would fall over time.

We pay double what other countries do right now without insuring all because we have bought into the far-right diatribe that healthcare is a commodity (meaning that it responds normally to market forces) and not a right.
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No they didn't, half of those on ACA were previously insured then lost insurance since it was cheaper to pay the fines and let employees go on the public dole. You probably believe that the VA is top notch care.
 
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zaqhhh said:
I'd much rather pay more taxes and not have ridiculous premiums and deductibles. You know, kinda like how every other country has worked things out.

If you make the decision to smoke, you should pay higher penalties. If you, without a genetic condition, get ridiculously obese you should pay more.

But remember how I talked of prevention? We don't focus on that in our current healthcare system. If the government pays for it you better believe Democrats and Republicans are going to want to make sure we prevent those conditions as a cost control measure.
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I guess when you are already net zero, doubling them doesn't hurt.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Funny... I thought based on varying tax rates and welfare programs... The government already controls wealth by your rational.

I would have thought this thread is about how much inequality is too much and solutions to fix that.
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Holy crap , this is son of Lothlow here.
 
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Could have been in the student debt thread, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Instagram user calls out Oprah for not paying off students’ debt after speech, Queen of Talk responds

Following her commencement address at Colorado College Sunday, Winfrey posted a photo of herself and a graduate on Instagram, writing “I don’t know who this guy is but he sure is happy to graduate! I shook hands with all 571 members of @coloradocollege's Class of 2019 and gave them a copy of The Path Made Clear.”

One Instagram user said that instead of giving graduates her latest book, she “should have paid off their student debt.” The comment came after billionaire Robert Smith surprised the Morehouse College graduating class during his commencement address the same day by vowing to pay off the student loans for all 396 graduates.
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As usual, someone wants something for free instead of people working for it.
 
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