Wealth and Inequality

#51
#51
Lexvol said:
I understand the logic, and know the old DeTocqueville quotes. I still think most in America, rich or poor tend to embrace conservative economic principals especially if they are put side by side directly with marxist or socialist principles.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative economic principles." However, when its not branded communism people go for full employment economies, ownership by the workers, national health care, etc often in supermajority numbers.
 
#52
#52
utgibbs said:
NEOCON,

The banks bought the government, and then asked them to change the rules so they could make so many bad loans.

If government had stayed in it the problem would not be as bad.

I like your revolutionary zeal in allowing them all to fail. However, the problem, in essence, is that Capitalism is now straining even its imaginary superstructure. It can no longer maintain its divorce from the real world outside the back door, and it will implode without the government bandages and infusions.
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Originally Posted by utgibbs
"I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative economic principles." However, when its not branded communism people go for full employment economies, ownership by the workers, national health care, etc often in supermajority numbers."



Barney Frank, is that you?........or maybe it's Stalin, i can't tell?

It seems the only "revolutionary" or radical ideal here is to denounce the capitilistic principles that allowed even our poorest to be among the richest when compared to the majority of the world.

Guess what , every form of government is hurting right now, take Europe for instance they are doing great,right? lol.Capitalism isn't what got us in trouble it was greed/corruption/overregulation of business, wallstreet and politicians alike so they are all culpable not the system.

It would be foolish to disband the system that has made us the greatest country in history wouldn't it, comrade?

Oh btw ,i'm a little skeptical, gonna need some facts to back up the "supermajority numbers " claim on the Communism that every one doesn't realize that they would prefer due to the negative spin that America/Capitilsm has put on said Government.
 
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#53
#53
utgibbs said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative economic principles." However, when its not branded communism people go for full employment economies, ownership by the workers, national health care, etc often in supermajority numbers.
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If you are looking for someone that compulsively replies to this meaningless bullsh....i'm not that guy.
 
#54
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Lexvol said:
If you are looking for someone that compulsively replies to this meaningless bullsh....i'm not that guy.
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However, oe rather enjoys it.........and I look out my front door more often than my back door.
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Lexvol said:
If you are looking for someone that compulsively replies to this meaningless bullsh....i'm not that guy.
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I wasn't, no worries.

I did want to make sure I understood what "conservative economic principles" were. As for the numbers, I'm afraid we've been over it a lot, and it is as I say.
 
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NEOCON said:
thinking outside the box is what helps.being a good little cube worker does not
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No doubt about it.

YOu must also recognize that if it weren't for the good little cube workers, many wouldn't have acquired wealth. There is a reason why a lot of dumbazzes have gotten rich.
 
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#60
VOLatile said:
What?

Christians can't play the victims in this case.
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I pray to an invisible God instead of believing that something came from nothing by sheer chance.

I'm so dumb compared to you bright, well educated evolutionist.
 
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#61
NEOCON said:
I pray to an invisible God instead of believing that something came from nothing by sheer chance.

I'm so dumb compared to you bright, well educated evolutionist.
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waiting rjd with nuclear option
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NEOCON said:
I pray to an invisible God instead of believing that something came from nothing by sheer chance.

I'm so dumb compared to you bright, well educated evolutionist.
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It's the people that outright dismiss evolution because they don't take the time to review the evidence that are idiots.
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VOLatile said:
It's the people that outright dismiss evolution because they don't take the time to review the evidence that are idiots.
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still waiting for a scientist to step out on national tv and show how something can be created out of nothing. And by nothing, I mean void of air, void of mass, void of matter, void of everything and using no available tools ... kinda the way it woulda been in the beginning.

Until then science has a problem.
 
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NEOCON said:
still waiting for a scientist to step out on national tv and show how something can be created out of nothing. And by nothing, I mean void of air, void of mass, void of matter, void of everything and using no available tools ... kinda the way it woulda been in the beginning.

Until then science has a problem.
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Where did God come from then?
 
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NEOCON said:
still waiting for a scientist to step out on national tv and show how something can be created out of nothing. And by nothing, I mean void of air, void of mass, void of matter, void of everything and using no available tools ... kinda the way it woulda been in the beginning.

Until then science has a problem.
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ToE doesn't even attempt to explain the beginning of time. They're separate theories. ToE is just an explanation of how we got from then to here.

If you really want to play that game, then how did God exist? Seriously, you can't say void of air, void of mass, void of matter, void of everything and then say God just exists.
 
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VOLatile said:
ToE doesn't even attempt to explain the beginning of time. They're separate theories. ToE is just an explanation of how we got from then to here.

If you really want to play that game, then how did God exist? Seriously, you can't say void of air, void of mass, void of matter, void of everything and then say God just exists.
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Point is volatile and this is the point that drives me nuts with evolutionist.

I know I dont have a shred of proof to show how we got here which is why it's called faith but you guys dont have a shred of proof either.

Not a single scientist can show an experiement on how something can come from nothing.

It's all faith no matter how ya slice.

But we don't go putting others down by making it seem like their savages praying to a monkey god.
 
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their both theories ... I just wish we';d keep them at that.

Youd gain alot of my respect if you'd ever just admit that.
 
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#68
NEOCON said:
Point is volatile and this is the point that drives me nuts with evolutionist.

I know I dont have a shred of proof to show how we got here which is why it's called faith but you guys dont have a shred of proof either.

Not a single scientist can show an experiement on how something can come from nothing.

It's all faith no matter how ya slice.

But we don't go putting others down by making it seem like their savages praying to a monkey god.
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In the scientific community, evolution is a widely accepted FACT. Something like 98% of biologists hold evolution true. These are people that dedicate their lives to the study of life. You find no credibility in that?

NEOCON said:
their both theories ... I just wish we';d keep them at that.

Youd gain alot of my respect if you'd ever just admit that.
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They are both theories, only because it's next to impossible to make anything a law anymore. I could ask for evidence of creation, but we'd be here for days waiting for a response with credible sources.
 
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VOLatile said:
In the scientific community, evolution is a widely accepted FACT. Something like 98% of biologists hold evolution true. These are people that dedicate their lives to the study of life. You find no credibility in that?



They are both theories, only because it's next to impossible to make anything a law anymore. I could ask for evidence of creation, but we'd be here for days waiting for a response with credible sources.
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This is why I don't give you much credit honestly.

During ww2 98% of nazi's thought jews were animals. That's not what I asked.

You also dodged highly.

If it's a fact create something out of nothing. I don't wanna talk about micro evolution. prove the whole thing as a FACT.

show me something out of thin air. Go for it.

Not a single scientist can do it yet you talk in facts.

That is what is laughable.
 
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we'd be here for days waiting for creditable sources on how the big bang happened to and everything came out of nothing with actual mathematic data that can be reproduced in a lab.

that's a fact.
 
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NEOCON said:
This is why I don't give you much credit honestly.

During ww2 98% of nazi's thought jews were animals. That's not what I asked.

You also dodged highly.

If it's a fact create something out of nothing. I don't wanna talk about micro evolution. prove the whole thing as a FACT.

show me something out of thin air. Go for it.

Not a single scientist can do it yet you talk in facts.

That is what is laughable.
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We can wait a few more years and see what CERN and the LHC come up with. That should add or remove some evidence of the big bang theory. That's the beauty of science, nothing is accepted as fact until it's proven to be true on multiple occasions. In this case, there are no records so it will always stay a theory, even if the evidence is insurmountable. Just like ToE, which has mountains of evidence but we can't recreate the past so it'll never become law. Unlike creation, which really only has the bible to fall back on.
 
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NEOCON said:
we'd be here for days waiting for creditable sources on how the big bang happened to and everything came out of nothing with actual mathematic data that can be reproduced in a lab.

that's a fact.
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You don't find people like Stephen Hawking credible? Shocking.
 
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NEOCON said:
Point is volatile and this is the point that drives me nuts with evolutionist.

I know I dont have a shred of proof to show how we got here which is why it's called faith but you guys dont have a shred of proof either.

Not a single scientist can show an experiement on how something can come from nothing.

It's all faith no matter how ya slice.

But we don't go putting others down by making it seem like their savages praying to a monkey god.
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I love how you keep harping on this something from nothing line, yet fail to answer how God came from nothing.

For all we know the universe could be a closed envelope outside of time, with no "beginning" or "end". You assume time progresses along in a linear fashion, but it doesn't have to. Because the Bible is the end all be all for you, you regress it back to a "God" when it certainly isn't needed. The only thing a notion of "God" tells us is the limits of imagination of first century religious entrepenuers who knew nothing about celestial mechanics.
 
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rjd970 said:
I love how you keep harping on this something from nothing line, yet fail to answer how God came from nothing.

For all we know the universe could be a closed envelope outside of time, with no "beginning" or "end". You assume time progresses along in a linear fashion, but it doesn't have to. Because the Bible is the end all be all for you, you regress it back to a "God" when it certainly isn't needed. The only thing a notion of "God" tells us is the limits of imagination of first century religious entrepenuers who knew nothing about celestial mechanics.
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When have I ever said time is linear????

I simply said evolution is a theory and needs to be treated as such.

No one has shown how you can create something out of nothing and until they can achieve it in a lab it is A THEORY.

yes we got here. It had to of happened.

But since no one can prove how it happened it means it is a theory.

How is this hard?

I'm using smal l words for you guys.
 
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