We would have been 5 and 25 with CCM

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VolGee4 said:
Good grief, this thread got derailed. Glad our fans like to argue about the past.
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Did you honestly expect a thread with the title this one has to not get derailed talking about former coaches? Come on, man.
 
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CAVol said:
Did you honestly expect a thread with the title this one has to not get derailed talking about former coaches? Come on, man.
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Yea, that was a mistake. I remembered the title as I submitted my post. But the things discussed in it...I probably need a break from the BB Forum. Too much nonsense.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, that was a mistake. I remembered the title as I submitted my post. But the things discussed in it...I probably need a break from the BB Forum. Too much nonsense.
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Not many boards out there with this much activity for a team that's WATCHING post season.
It's the usual VN Reality show.
 
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CAVol said:
I watch most of them.
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May be a lot more watching this season and pulling for the UDs in KY's games.
I'm pulling for 40-0 to maybe fuel the fires to end the 1 and done fiasco and boost Calipari into the Pro ranks.
 
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calban said:
There is a lot more proof, quotes in the media, that departing players poisoned the well for Martin's recruits.
Martin stated in an interview at Cal, that his final decision for leaving TN was lack of support from the administration.
Combine the measley $500,000 raise for 3 20 win seasons and a SW16 finish and Hart's balless approach to the petition, protecting his own ass by not publicly denouncing it, and who could blame the guy for leaving.
In the same interview, Martin had nothing but praise for TN fans.
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ballless? He did what should be done.....ignore it.....if a coach or AD cant handle negative fans then they aren't ready for Division one sports.
 
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The Martin debate is just silly. The man is paid millions and millions of dollars to win games. He underachieved with what he had, not sure how anyone can argue that. But, it's a big business. I can understand wanting to leave if your not liked and he wasn't. I don't think it had anything to do with race. His teams under performed and he wasn't Bruce Pearl. It sucks for him but surely people didn't see this man at the press conference when he was hired and thought that was the future of Tennessee basketball. Any up and comming coach would have likely been dealt the same way as him following Pearl.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Good grief, this thread got derailed. Glad our fans like to argue about the past.
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Well, for my part in it, it's not about the coach, it's about taking an opinion and trying to spread as a fact.

It could be just about anything discussed here. For instance, no one knows what will happen to Tyndall. It's fine to speculate, but saying the "NCAA will do this, or he'll only get this" like it's fact is inaccurate and misleading. Cherry picking and the like, ya'll know what I'm talking about.

And to your point, yes it would be nice to be able to read a thread title and for the thread to pertain to it.
 
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volbeast33 said:
ballless? He did what should be done.....ignore it.....if a coach or AD cant handle negative fans then they aren't ready for Division one sports.
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Not sure that's the issue.
It's more about how the media was and is still spinning it and the perception coaches and future recruits have of the University.
Add Donnie's mess and we're being talked about as a program in complete disarray. Some of the low life's are even implying racial issues.
 
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calban said:
Not sure that's the issue.
It's more about how the media was and is still spinning it and the perception coaches and future recruits have of the University.
Add Donnie's mess and we're being talked about as a program in complete disarray. Some of the low life's are even implying racial issues.
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Nothing the media said was going to be changed by anything Hart was going to say...Its obvious Hart didn't feel like Zo was his guy or he would have done more to keep him. I don't blame Zo for leaving as I probably would have done the same.
 
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Martin was not a good coach. Good guy but mediocre coach--at best. If that. He proved how lame he was on our last possession of the Michigan NCAA game: We've got two excellent, shot-creating slashers, each ideal for last 12-second situations, and he decides he wants the ball thrown to our CENTER 20 feet from the basket. One of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. We don't get a shot off and lose. Also, Martin is too mellow to be a good coach. How many outstanding college coaches can you name who are mellow? There aren't any. The good ones are intense.

I think Tyndall can coach, like the guy--but he will have to bring in talent, and for some reason I think he will.
 
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armchair said:
Martin was not a good coach. Good guy but mediocre coach--at best. If that. He proved how lame he was on our last possession of the Michigan NCAA game: We've got two excellent, shot-creating slashers, each ideal for last 12-second situations, and he decides he wants the ball thrown to our CENTER 20 feet from the basket. One of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. We don't get a shot off and lose. Also, Martin is too mellow to be a good coach. How many outstanding college coaches can you name who are mellow? There aren't any. The good ones are intense.

I think Tyndall can coach, like the guy--but he will have to bring in talent, and for some reason I think he will.
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No problems with the last play. Had one of our two best players isolated in a one on one situation and he didn't make the play. Stokes was much better facing up than backing down last year. Players have to execute.
 
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CAVol said:
No problems with the last play. Had one of our two best players isolated in a one on one situation and he didn't make the play. Stokes was much better facing up than backing down last year. Players have to execute.
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Exactly. Stokes was the best player last year. Give it to the best and let him make the play. He didn't make the play. Arguing against that is like saying Lofton shouldn't have taken the final shot if he missed it.
 
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vol66 said:
Well, for my part in it, it's not about the coach, it's about taking an opinion and trying to spread as a fact.
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Your part also included telling the poster to "gtfo", saying the poster is "fos", the poster is an "Anus", and also inferring that the poster is a racist.

The "opinion" has been discussed at length on radio too. Sorry, no link for that.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Your part also included telling the poster to "gtfo", saying the poster is "fos", the poster is an "Anus", and also inferring that the poster is a racist.

The "opinion" has been discussed at length on radio too. Sorry, no link for that.
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By whom?

I did not infer you were racist, I inferred you can't have it both ways. You can't take credit for motivating the team with out accepting the perception of the basketball world outside of Tennessee.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Exactly. Stokes was the best player last year. Give it to the best and let him make the play. He didn't make the play. Arguing against that is like saying Lofton shouldn't have taken the final shot if he missed it.
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Could be argued cuonzo shouldn't had made it so obvious
 
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whobethis16 said:
Exactly. Stokes was the best player last year. Give it to the best and let him make the play. He didn't make the play. Arguing against that is like saying Lofton shouldn't have taken the final shot if he missed it.
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Not exactly. If Lofton was given the ball at 30 feet with 2 seconds left and missed it, then it would not be a good play. But we can come up with hypotheticals all day.

Stokes may have been good face up, but he was out further than I would have liked. The double team was coming if you saw the replay. I think the play was actually back to McRae anyway. I was indifferent on the call, but it's not like it was a genius play call either.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not exactly. If Lofton was given the ball at 30 feet with 2 seconds left and missed it, then it would not be a good play. But we can come up with hypotheticals all day.

Stokes may have been good face up, but he was out further than I would have liked. The double team was coming if you saw the replay. I think the play was actually back to McRae anyway. I was indifferent on the call, but it's not like it was a genius play call either.
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Refusing to take Maymon off Robinson frustrated me more than that last play.
 
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vol66 said:
By whom?

I did not infer you were racist, I inferred you can't have it both ways. You can't take credit for motivating the team with out accepting the perception of the basketball world outside of Tennessee.
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"wait, is this the same petition you say got you to the S16 but also makes the national media label you as a racist...which I'm sure you disavow?"

"which I'm sure you disavow". I'm familiar with sarcasm.
 
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