We win ugly and it hurts us?

#51
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Ned Ray McWorkher said:
I've never understood what the hell an ugly win was. Certainly don't see it in the win-loss column. I think it's a made up trope for those people who still want to complain even tho the outcome of a particular event was favorable.
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Vols/ Razorbacks 2025. Tennessee 34, Arkansas 31. THAT was an ugly win. We barely pulled it off. Another 5 minutes of play and we could have easily lost. My complaint has nothing to do with the game, just other perceptions of it in the press. Which I and many others of us read. To ME, part of the experience is reading the columnists, both negative and positive. Sometimes they have insights that I may have missed. And "trope"? Getting a little existentialist, aren't we? It's all in good fun.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
It is so bizarre to me how well Arkansas plays against us. I really don’t get it.
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I get it. The Vols have some sort of curse/diseaae/tendency to play to the level of competition no matter who is coaching. Sure there are exceptions- but in general that’s who we are. It just so happens that Arky is usually ok and we play ok when we play them.
 
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LittleVol said:
About Banks:

I think he handicapped himself this offseason.
Aside from the soft defense when we get a lead- he’s called good games with the talent he has.

We’re not very upperclassman talented at DT. We’re damn sure not talented at safety.
Jakobe Thomas has 37 tackles and 4 INTs for #2 ranked Miami.
Christian Charles has 22 tackles for #17 ranked Virginia.

Why the hell aren’t those two guys still in Knoxville?? What was the thinking there?
Thomas and Turrentine should have been starters with Farooq and Charles rotating in.

This isn’t scheme this is Roster Management.

Same with DT We lost 4 guys and basically had to move Bailey to DT and get lucky Nate Robinson.?? What is the thinking there??

Our defense would be very much different with Thomas and Charles rotating in. I don’t get it. I don’t understand WHY they let that happen…
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I simply disagree. I'm sorry to offend any fan of Banks but he's just not a first tier DC. There was a reason he was the "co" at PSU. And... he didn't call plays for them. I don't think you get to "scheme" that much before the problems start to hurt.

I think his playcalling pretty much stinks. Good OCs just twist him in knots. I don't really think that's ever been a strength. Talent and depth last year covered it up.

We aren't really talking about "talent" related issues. There are teams all over the country with relatively slow secondaries that play a tight zone. Zone is more about discipline and preparation than having elite talent. Teams that can't recruit at a high level compete by playing good zone defense. You have to coach them up and then prepare them for the opponent. There were times Saturday when guys looked like they'd never seen film on Arkansas' offense. The thing I hold against Banks on that is that it isn't the first time. It is happening repeatedly. And it isn't just this year.

Honestly, I can't answer NIL and transfer questions. There are a lot of reasons guys might leave with NIL being a significant one. Thomas likely got paid. Miami appears to be throwing money at a run. UVA? Not sure unless he just thought it would give him better exposure or more PT. I'm sure there are guys they'd love to have back. For that matter, a guy like Squirrel might wish he hadn't left.
 
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tellicoflash said:
It didn’t help playing not to lose with score doubled (34-17) less than 5 min punting on their side of field, then scoring in less than 2 min.
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That punt really pissed me off and I love this staff as every UT fan should. Chickensheit call on 4th and 4 from what the 42yd line? That punt netted 22yards. Playing scared at home is BS. Coach never does this crap and I hope we never see it again
 
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mudhen said:
I just don't get it. We win ugly, but we WIN. There is NO ONE in the SEC who is gonna lay down for anyone. Yet it doesn't seem to matter unless you grind their nose into the dirt. And at the end of the day, we did. Suppose we beat Bama by one in O.T.? Using their logic, it doesn't count for much. Hell, I'm proud of those young men. Arkansas, like Florida, has had our number for a good while, and they got that monkey off of their backs. On to Bama!
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Perception is everything. We make the kick vs UGA and we are top 3 with this same team.
 
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Big Orange Captain said:
There is definitely a scenario if we lose to Bama but win out to finish 10-2 that we get left out.,
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More than a scenario. More than likely imo. People forget actual last year we got in because all 137 things we needed to happen miraculously happened for us. With our close wins, struggles against ark abd msu, I absolutely believe we’re out at 10-2.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
More than a scenario. More than likely imo. People forget actual last year we got in because all 137 things we needed to happen miraculously happened for us. With our close wins, struggles against ark abd msu, I absolutely believe we’re out at 10-2.
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Yea i agree. I think we have to win out. That Georgia loss really hurts
 
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mudhen said:
I just don't get it. We win ugly, but we WIN. There is NO ONE in the SEC who is gonna lay down for anyone. Yet it doesn't seem to matter unless you grind their nose into the dirt. And at the end of the day, we did. Suppose we beat Bama by one in O.T.? Using their logic, it doesn't count for much. Hell, I'm proud of those young men. Arkansas, like Florida, has had our number for a good while, and they got that monkey off of their backs. On to Bama!
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what I don't get is how exactly are we being hurt? we went up in the AP poll and only two teams ahead of us lost and we jumped one of them.

like it or not perception matters. when you score 21 points in the first quarter against Georgia and you still lose the game it looks horrible. people rightfully have no faith in our defense against top 10 teams. so why would they rank us in the top 10.

Solution to all our problems: go and beat Bama all of this silly discussion will be over. just go win your games.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
More than a scenario. More than likely imo. People forget actual last year we got in because all 137 things we needed to happen miraculously happened for us. With our close wins, struggles against ark abd msu, I absolutely believe we’re out at 10-2.
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Perhaps my memory isn't what it once was. I may need a reminder of which 137 things miraculously happened in order for us to make it in to the playoffs as the #7 ranked team in the playoff rankings. Also, for the scenario being discussed that you feel is more than likely, here is a list of things that would all have to happen in order for a 10-2 Tennessee to be left out:
-Texas A&M, who has yet to play a conference road game, has to go at worst 4-1 with games @Arky, @lsu, @Missouri, South Carolina and at Texas.
-Ole Miss, who beat Kentucky by 7, Arkansas by 5, and Washington St by 3, would have to go at worst 4-1 with games @Georgia, @Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida and @Mississippi St.
-Georgia would have to go at worst 4-1 with games against Ole Miss, Florida, @Mississippi St, Texas and Georgia Tech.
-Alabama would have to go at worst 4-1 with games against Tennessee, @South Carolina, LSU, Oklahoma and @Auburn and one of those wins would have to be against Tennessee this weekend.
-There would also have to be enough teams from other conferences(and Notre Dame) to be ranked higher than us and only have enough spots for 4 SEC teams to get in. For Notre Dame, they would have to win out with their only quality win being against USC and that being enough for them to be ranked ahead of us by the playoff committee.
The B1G likely gets Ohio St, Indiana, and Oregon
The Big 12 likely only gets their champion
The ACC likely only get two if Miami loses the championship game.
G5 Champ gets in.
For the SEC to not get 5 teams, either the ACC would have to get two in and either Notre Dame or USC get in or, if the ACC only gets Miami, both USC and Notre Dame would have to get in. For both USC and Notre Dame to get in over a 10-2 SEC team, Notre Dame would have to win out and USC would have to win out after losing to Notre Dame, which would include winning @ Oregon and that be put Oregon at 10-2 with their best win being over a likely 7-5 Penn State team in OT.
 
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We don't have a staff with a killer instinct so it makes you look bad easing up and letting the other team back into the game. Kind of applying a John Chavis philosophy to the offensive side of the ball.
 
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Seems pretty simple to me, no lead is safe because our defense sucks. Bad play calling not going for the killer instinct, and running three plays to run clock to early is another problem. It’s coaching not talent!
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
That punt really pissed me off and I love this staff as every UT fan should. Chickensheit call on 4th and 4 from what the 42yd line? That punt netted 22yards. Playing scared at home is BS. Coach never does this crap and I hope we never see it again
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Tennessee has won a TON of football games punting the ball in that situation. In fact, that’s the only sensible call. The only thing wrong was Ross didn’t kill the ball inside the 20, which normally he’s great at and the defense went totally stupid.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I predicted us to go 9-3, so I am not saying we'll go 10-2. If we do, we're likely in the playoffs.
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It's going to come down to the final conference standings, just like last year. The only difference this year will be if they take 3 SEC teams again, or do they bump it up to 4. Then, are we in that number at the end?. Last year’s final conference standings for reference.... the race for the SEC title is the key to the season. The Playoff committee didn't skip over us for anyone last year and they won't likely skip us up over anyone this year. We gotta win the games to make it in.Screenshot_20251012_202214_Google.jpg
 
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Baseball25 said:
We don't have a staff with a killer instinct so it makes you look bad easing up and letting the other team back into the game. Kind of applying a John Chavis philosophy to the offensive side of the ball.
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Cite the games and championships you have won as a player and/or coach for which your killer instinct was the key factor in deciding the game.

IOW, describe a personal experience
 
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deatojl said:
Perhaps my memory isn't what it once was. I may need a reminder of which 137 things miraculously happened in order for us to make it in to the playoffs as the #7 ranked team in the playoff rankings. Also, for the scenario being discussed that you feel is more than likely, here is a list of things that would all have to happen in order for a 10-2 Tennessee to be left out:
-Texas A&M, who has yet to play a conference road game, has to go at worst 4-1 with games @Arky, @lsu, @Missouri, South Carolina and at Texas.
-Ole Miss, who beat Kentucky by 7, Arkansas by 5, and Washington St by 3, would have to go at worst 4-1 with games @Georgia, @Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida and @Mississippi St.
-Georgia would have to go at worst 4-1 with games against Ole Miss, Florida, @Mississippi St, Texas and Georgia Tech.
-Alabama would have to go at worst 4-1 with games against Tennessee, @South Carolina, LSU, Oklahoma and @Auburn and one of those wins would have to be against Tennessee this weekend.
-There would also have to be enough teams from other conferences(and Notre Dame) to be ranked higher than us and only have enough spots for 4 SEC teams to get in. For Notre Dame, they would have to win out with their only quality win being against USC and that being enough for them to be ranked ahead of us by the playoff committee.
The B1G likely gets Ohio St, Indiana, and Oregon
The Big 12 likely only gets their champion
The ACC likely only get two if Miami loses the championship game.
G5 Champ gets in.
For the SEC to not get 5 teams, either the ACC would have to get two in and either Notre Dame or USC get in or, if the ACC only gets Miami, both USC and Notre Dame would have to get in. For both USC and Notre Dame to get in over a 10-2 SEC team, Notre Dame would have to win out and USC would have to win out after losing to Notre Dame, which would include winning @ Oregon and that be put Oregon at 10-2 with their best win being over a likely 7-5 Penn State team in OT.
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That guy is FOS
 
#73
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LittleVol said:
About Banks:

I think he handicapped himself this offseason.
Aside from the soft defense when we get a lead- he’s called good games with the talent he has.

We’re not very upperclassman talented at DT. We’re damn sure not talented at safety.
Jakobe Thomas has 37 tackles and 4 INTs for #2 ranked Miami.
Christian Charles has 22 tackles for #17 ranked Virginia.

Why the hell aren’t those two guys still in Knoxville?? What was the thinking there?
Thomas and Turrentine should have been starters with Farooq and Charles rotating in.

This isn’t scheme this is Roster Management.

Same with DT We lost 4 guys and basically had to move Bailey to DT and get lucky Nate Robinson.?? What is the thinking there??

Our defense would be very much different with Thomas and Charles rotating in. I don’t get it. I don’t understand WHY they let that happen…
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In hindsight, we should have paid these two (and Jalen Smith) and let Boo Carter walk.
 
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mudhen said:
I just don't get it. We win ugly, but we WIN. There is NO ONE in the SEC who is gonna lay down for anyone. Yet it doesn't seem to matter unless you grind their nose into the dirt. And at the end of the day, we did. Suppose we beat Bama by one in O.T.? Using their logic, it doesn't count for much. Hell, I'm proud of those young men. Arkansas, like Florida, has had our number for a good while, and they got that monkey off of their backs. On to Bama!
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I just looked and it somewhat blew my mind. Heupel is 10-5 in 1 score games at Tennessee. Take out 2021, his first year, and he is 9-2 in 1 score games.

That really surprised me. Pleasant surprise that is.
 
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