We should have listened to Dooley

#126
#126
Gee, if he could have counted to 11 we might have paid some attention!
 
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MWAVolfan said:
The right coach (whether he's already here or not) will be able to get this current UT team to a bowl in year 1 and would be winning double digits by year 3 at UT. Like you said, maybe we have that guy now and maybe we dont. Just have to see. But that's how I see this program. You should be winning more than 9 games in year 3.
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Don't disagree at all. Pruitt is inheriting a better situation than Butch inherited, and Butch inherited a better situation than Dooley inherited. I think Pruitt getting to a bowl this year is a reasonable expectation, and 9 wins with a 10th in a bowl is reasonable for year 3. The difference between Pruitt and Butch is that Pruitt is inheriting a roster whose record the prior season isn't indicative of the level of talent on the roster. Butch inherited a team whose record the previous year was indicative of the talent level. There was probably 7-win talent on Butch's team last year, making 6 wins for Pruitt this year a reasonable goal.

I was OK with Butch's 5-7 in his first year, and I was OK with the 9-4 in his 3rd year. That 2015 team had all the hallmarks of a talented team that was still learning how to close out games, and 2016 was the year I expected big things. That's why I was saying 2015 was when he started showing potential deficiencies, and he proved he had obvious deficiencies in 2016. Butch is like a golf coach who is good at getting a player from struggling to break 100 to shoot in the 80s, but can't get a player from the 80s to scratch. It's a different set of skills and things you have to do to get from good to great, and Butch couldn't do it because of his deficiencies at talent evaluation and Xs and Os coaching. He improved the program purely through increasing the talent level of the roster as a whole (recruiting); that's OK as the head coach of a MAC program, but it isn't good enough in a really competitive conference.
 
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butchna said:
A lot of this is true but he left an OL with 4/5 starters in their last year of eligibility and hadn’t signed one in his last recruiting class. He left Jones some players but team speed was pathetic to the point that Palardy ran the fastest time in that first pro day. And Kiffin left Dooley Simms and Bray (Kiffin, not Dooley landed both)...who both made NFL rosters. Dooley bequeathed Jones...Worley. Hard working, dedicated, good soldier, injury prone...Worley. Jones flipped that roster to the point that we were UNDERachieving in two seasons...no small feat. Jones failed...Dooley made it an art form.
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Starting about May in the previous year, Dooley did not even attempt to recruit anyone it was as if he knew his days were numbered and there wasn't any way he was going to turn over a finger to do anymore work. That's one reason companies never give two week notices anymore they would rather just pay you the money to force you out the door immediately. They know lame duck employees are worse than useless.
 
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Pruitt Will Do It said:
It might take Jeremy Pruitt as long as it took Johnny Majors to completely turn the Tennessee football program around to a power once again. It took Johnny 7 years from 1977-1983 to get that accomplished.
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no football coach in the SEC will ever get 7 years to turn a program around every again. Not even Vandy or Ole Miss or <insert historically bad SEC team> gives that much runway let alone an SEC powerhouse.
 
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Pruitt Will Do It said:
He should have become a lawyer since he's got a law degree from Virginia;)
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Dooley couldnt come close to making the $ in law that hes hustled in the coaching game. To make big money as an attorney, you have to win. Precious made big money in coaching cause his last name is Dooley.

Which in itself is alittle funny, Until Herschel, Vince was a fairly average coach boosted by playing a very weak SEC schedule most years (no bama usually). Then he hit the motherload with Walker and the rest is history.
 
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sjt18 said:
You knew based on a loss that the whole CFB world recognized as unfair? A loss that precipitated a rule change that would have prevented the loss?
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When you get a vibe, you just get a vibe. Just like when a backup QB comes in and we have a decent lead. It's an unexplainable 6th sense I have about Tennessee Football. Maybe it's cynicism, but I felt leaving that it wasn't going to be a good few years. The confirmation was next season against Kentucky, the embarrassment really kicked in with the OT "Thriller" vs UA freaking B.... Not the UAB teams of now, the UAB teams that never won more than 5 games a year..
 
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#138
Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones can all be laid on at the feet of UTAD. I honestly never liked any of them from the beginning and thought they were all bad.

Although most of this is rehashed and dead horse beating, I'm still enjoying the conversation lol;)
 
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Pruitt Will Do It said:
Nobody else would take the job at the late date that Tennessee was looking for a head coach in 2010.
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As I recall, Kiffin left on January 12, 2010 and Dooley was hired on January 15. The only other coach we know for a fact was offered the job (David Cutcliffe and Troy Calhoun were not - contrary to some reports at the time) was Will Muschamp (Texas DC at the time). Hamilton was in too much of a hurry to save the recruiting class instead of making the right hire. The truth is we really don't know who we could have had... but it should have been someone better than Derek Dooley. How do you interview that doofus and come away thinking "That's our man!" ?
 
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