"We only have 27 guys who played in the swamp ".. CBJ

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v011s said:
I think it's already been established that Butch is a complete wimp.
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Butch always shows up and lays it on the line. He is not a wimp. Where was your last head coaching job.

I am guessing your making minimum wage on a good day and UT football is your life. No intelligent person would make such a statement. Even the worst negas present facts and make logical arguments. Name calling is for children and idiots.
 
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81Orange said:
Butch always shows up and lays it on the line. He is not a wimp. Where was your last head coaching job.

I am guessing your making minimum wage on a good day and UT football is your life. No intelligent person would make such a statement. Even the worst negas present facts and make logical arguments. Name calling is for children and idiots.
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No he is not a wimp and he does have good work ethic. But he tends to be thin skinned and is an average football coach.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Georgia just took a freshman QB into South Bend and won. How young or inexperienced you are is meaningless in today's sports age. If you're good enough to play you should be on the field. Put the talent on the field and it will take care of itself.
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That is Georgia. You let their fans worry about a first time starter winning in a hostile environment. We aren't allowed that luxury as Volunteer fans.

Meanwhile, we have Butch pre-loading excuses...
 
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81Orange said:
Butch always shows up and lays it on the line. He is not a wimp. Where was your last head coaching job.

I am guessing your making minimum wage on a good day and UT football is your life. No intelligent person would make such a statement. Even the worst negas present facts and make logical arguments. Name calling is for children and idiots.
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Dripping with irony... good thing for you they put the pictures on things now.
 
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No disrespect intended,this is the last thing I want to hear from Coach Jones. It reeks of making excuses. They're going to put 11 on the field at a time and so are we, period.
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
No disrespect intended,this is the last thing I want to hear from Coach Jones. It reeks of making excuses. They're going to put 11 on the field at a time and so are we, period.
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I saw the transcript of his original quote before he changed it. It said:

"Playing in the Swamp is tough for a veteran football team much less a young & inexperienced team such as ours. In fact, no individual on this team, or any team in college football history, has ever played in the Swamp on the 16th day of the month following a Hurricane named Irma. It will be a tough challenge."
 
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TrishVol said:
Am I missing something? What did he say that was wrong?
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He's trying to minimize the huge elephant in the room; this is a UF game that sets up better for UT than any in UF-UT history. If he loses, the narrative will be 'okay, lemme get this right, so a hurricane rips through your opponents State to the point they cancel a game, miss practices, and generally become discombobulated with the chaos of misplaced families, power outages, gas shortages, etc, they have two stars suspended, the stadium which is usually insufferable for the visiting team will probably have 20,000 empty seats AND YOU LOST?!?!' That's working in his psyche' so he throws out this "27 guys" stuff as a deflection and a defense mechanism.

Amazingly, 100% of the pressure seems to be on UT in this game.
 
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At this point I expect Butch to say stuff like this and somewhat donwnplay expectations. It's just what he does.
 
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Is anybody really surprised? Seems like Coach might benefit from having a spin guy on his PR team.

OTH, he is a great recruiter. Maybe players like the way he handles himself more than some fans. Beat FL, beat the teams you should beat, have a great recruiting class and we will be primed for a run.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Nega-Vols on parade in this thread. What he said is a fact. He is trying to build depth. The 2018 commits are going to be an awesome addition to the Vols. Hope they don't read threads like this or smarter than the posters on this thread and want to sign up and help build the UT wall..."brick by brick". LOL!
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Build depth? He's in his fifth season and has had two top ten recruiting classes and another in the top 15. How long is it going to take for him to "build depth."
 
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He should have said; We had 27 guys who lost barely the last time they played in the swamp because I and the rest of my staff let them down.....
 
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I honestly dont get why he would say this. You only play there once every three years.so each time you go it will be the first time to all but one class and a few reshirts.
 
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Yep.

The math of it goes like this:

1. In any given ball game, somewhere around 40-60 lads will play in the game. The 26 starters (offense, defense, special teams), a healthy two-deep rotation at some positions, such as DLine, and some other subs where needed.

2. So out of the 2015 roster (last time we went to the Swamp) of 100-120 lads, only 40-60 of them got into the game.

3. The full roster is pretty evenly divided between seniors, juniors, sophomores, and freshmen. But the ones who play in the game, the two-deep, is heavy with juniors and seniors. Naturally.

4. So of those 40-60 who played in the Swamp two years ago, at least half of them graduated by now. That leaves 20-30 still on the team.

5. "27" fits pretty well in the 20-30 estimate. In fact, it's just a tad on the higher end of that spectrum.

Bottom line is, this kind of factoid is probably true of just about every team in college football today in every home-and-home series played.

Number of 2017 Ohio State players who have played in Michigan Stadium before? Probably 20-30.

Number of 2017 Stanford players who have played in LA Memorial Coliseum before? Probably 20-30.

In short, this is a meaningless factoid. It's not surprising, it's not informative, and--once you scratch a little beneath the surface--it's not even particularly interesting.

It's just how college football works.

Butch has got to get a better statistician / talking points writer.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
I made a joke in the RF a little while back about how Butch would probably come out with the old "only 23% of our team has played in the swamp" and I'll be darned if he doesn't come out with something just about as ridiculous. A lot of people on this board can't stand when someone says anything remotely negative about Jones, but can anybody see a Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh coming out with things like this? Just appears as if he really digs deep to come out with what a lot of people see as an excuse. Just looks like he's not confident in himself or his team.
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Oh, the other coaches say really stupid stuff, too. But (1) we're Tennessee fans, so we're not paying any attention to their press conferences, and (2) the most successful ones get more slack, because, you know, evil genius or mad scientist or whatever analogy you want to draw, they're winning so they must be on to something, right?

So we just notice what Butch says. And truth be told, he does have a habit of saying dumb things more often than the average coach. And because he now has a reputation for it, the media are on the lookout for more, in a way they won't be with others.

But don't kid yourself. All the other guys are saying really dumb stuff, too. You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to be a good football coach.
 
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