we have no chance against virgina tech

Marshall is our least impressive OOC win. Ohio is your most impressive. That alone is embarrassing. Ohio is your most impressive OOC win. Doesn't that just sound bad? Youre most impressive win is still USC, who still isn't ranked. What is that about glass houses?

Lets see here....your most impressive win is USC with 7 wins. We have 4 wins against teams with more than 7 wins. I'm sorry, but this SOS argument really doesn't hold up that well for you guys. Do you want me to bring in all the computer rankings again? I know its pointless as all I'm going to hear is "We are in the SEC!!"

Guy. I don't know about anyone else but I already said that UT was a mid-level team in the SEC.

My point isn't that UT has been world beaters or even as good as they could have been this year. They should have beaten Aub and UCLA... of course we wouldn't be having this conversation would we? The CFB world outside of a few delusional folks like you recognizes that the 5th to 7th best team in the SEC is a good match up with the 2nd or 3rd best team from the ACC.

The SOS argument is completely valid though you obviously don't like it. VT through no real fault of their own plays in one of the two weakest conferences in the BCS. Top to bottom, the ACC isn't much better than the MAC or CUSA... and at the top isn't any better than the WAC or MWC.

The point of MY SOS argument isn't that UT is better than VT but that VT's record against that schedule doesn't prove them a good team.
 
You realize that bowl tie ins have nothing to do with strength of conference right? The ACCs lack of a good bowl lineup has nothing to do with the strength of conference right? It has everything to do with the ACC being full of small schools with small alumni bases that don't make the bowls as much money as the schools from Big 10 and SEC (huge schools)

Did you honestly just say that the ACC is on a similar level to the MAC? If that doesn't make you lose all credibility I don't know what does. You know the MAC is working on a 0-14 bowl streak?
 
My apologies.

I forgot that most people in Tennessee cannot complete or read sentences.

I'll try to break it up from now on.

I'm from Knoxville and I am a sophomore at UT right now, so please don't think I'm hating on Tennessee.

I love the Vols and Vol fans.

I didn't know that there was a post structure police.

I guess I assumed anything was possible because almost EVERYONE on this board writes on a seventh grade level.
:)WHAT HE SAID!!!
Some people always want to make themselves feel important. Kind of sad!:cray:
 
You realize that bowl tie ins have nothing to do with strength of conference right? The ACCs lack of a good bowl lineup has nothing to do with the strength of conference right? It has everything to do with the ACC being full of small schools with small alumni bases that don't make the bowls as much money as the schools from Big 10 and SEC (huge schools)
Ummmm, nope. Directly it has to do with marketing demand.... but that's a reflection of the quality of the conferences in question much more so than the size of the respective schools. It also has a great deal to do with the comparative interest levels in the football played by the conferences. The ACC is STILL a basketball conference.

UVA- 20K
VT- 30K
UNC- 28K
NCSU- 31K
Duke- 13K... and very wealthy alums
WFU- 7K... and again a private school with wealthy benefactors
Clemson- 17K
GT- 20K
FSU- 39K
UM- 15K
BC- 14K
Maryland- 37K

UT- 27K
UF- 49K
UGA- 35K
MSU- 18K
Ole Miss- 17K
LSU- 25K
Ark- 19K
Vandy- 12K (almost half post graduate)
USC- 27K
UK- 27K
Aub- 24K
Bama- 29K

There isn't nearly the disparity you say justifies a significant difference in bowl allotments... and that private school money helps. It doesn't hurt.

Did you honestly just say that the ACC is on a similar level to the MAC? If that doesn't make you lose all credibility I don't know what does. You know the MAC is working on a 0-14 bowl streak?

Actually it proves that you really, really don't understand how the rest of the college football world looks at the ACC.

And your mighty ACC is working on what this year? You are now 1-3 with the one win a close game between the SEC's worst bowling team and your conference runner up.

For the most part when an ACC team steps up in OOC competition... they come up short just like the MAC.

Interesting that you didn't protest the CUSA, MWC, or WAC... In that dark recesses of your mind, you know I'm telling you the truth.

VT has tried to build a nationally relevant program in a weak conference. They've done all they can do... but you've reached the ceiling.... which is something like a middling SEC program. What you really need is for Clemson to live up to its hype and for FSU and UM to become good again. One problem that isn't going away any time soon is that the old ACC schools are STILL basketball first in a huge way.
 
I don't know where you are getting these numbers, but VT is no higher than 24 undergrad. Grad students really don't matter as they rarely have any loyalty to the school. Private school money helps? Yes this is why bowls always pass over BC, and Wake in their bowl selection. The only reason Miami gets selected is past tradition, but they can't even fill a stadium in Miami. The SEC only has one school like that, Vandy, and they get pushed under the rug in football.
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I didn't protest the other conferences, not because I don't disagree, but because the MAC statement was just so ridiculous that I had to jump on it.

As for the OOC opponents did you catch my post a week or so ago about this? It turns out that the ACC has more impressive wins than any other conference except the SEC and even then the wins are on par with the SEC. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Pitt are only a few of the teams that the ACC has beaten this year. Now you are probably going to try and discredit those teams this year, but the Big 12s best win this year is UGA and it isn't close at all. All of their other OOC are awful, yet you probably consider the Big 12 to be the 2nd or 3rd best conference.
 
I don't know where you are getting these numbers, but VT is no higher than 24 undergrad. Grad students really don't matter as they rarely have any loyalty to the school.
Still apples to apples since I included postgrads for all.
Private school money helps? Yes this is why bowls always pass over BC, and Wake in their bowl selection.j
Wake yes, BC no. BC has an area following that doesn't seem to travel well.

Notre Dame has a smaller enrollment and has no problem getting bowls. Same with Stanford, USM, and several of the schools I listed like Clemson, Ole Miss, and MSU.

The FACT that football isn't that important to the BC community helps my argument... and hurts yours. Emphasis is part of the reason SEC football is better than ACC football.

The only reason Miami gets selected is past tradition, but they can't even fill a stadium in Miami.
Yes because they haven't been good in awhile. Their ticket used to be alot tougher to get than a Dolphins ticket.
The SEC only has one school like that, Vandy, and they get pushed under the rug in football.
Vandy has been bowl eligible exactly ONCE since 1982... last year. How does that qualify as getting pushed under the rug?

Interestingly enough, they played in the Music City Bowl last year... against the ACC runner up Boston College... and beat them.
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I didn't protest the other conferences, not because I don't disagree, but because the MAC statement was just so ridiculous that I had to jump on it.
And yet it isn't. You could have replaced the lower half of the ACC this year with random teams from the MAC and not noticed a difference in the level of competition.

It turns out that the ACC has more impressive wins than any other conference except the SEC and even then the wins are on par with the SEC. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Pitt are only a few of the teams that the ACC has beaten this year.
Name a few more because Pitt doesn't qualify IMO... I mean come on. They lost to NCSU for heaven's sake... OTOH, they did just beat one of the better ACC teams in their bowl. Still not a "quality" win.

NU is rebuilding and almost beat you at home. You were saved by a last minute TD after being statistically dominated by a team in offensive disarray at that point in the season. Again, one of my buddies is a NU fan and I live in an area of Big12 country where there are alot of NU fans.

OU is suffering one of their worst seasons in years at 7-5. They came in 4th in the B12 South. Again, those just aren't impressive wins.

Now you are probably going to try and discredit those teams this year,
Mostly because they are credit worthy.
but the Big 12s best win this year is UGA and it isn't close at all.
Yes. So exactly how does that support your argument that OU who was stomped at home by the same team that beat UGA in Stillwater? Answer is that it doesn't. You're talking out of your ear.
All of their other OOC are awful, yet you probably consider the Big 12 to be the 2nd or 3rd best conference.
The Big 12 is in a down year with KU, MU, and OU all worse than previous years... and yes, they are still better than the ACC or Big East. It is closer with the Big East though.
 
Again, FTR, I'm not predicting a UT win by any stretch. UT was a middling SEC team this year and most every thing you said about them is true. I am simply stating the fact that the ACC is a weak football conference making a matchup between a middling SEC team and possibly the best ACC team more credible than it should be if the conferences were even close to parity.
 
year in and year out most BCS conferences are about equal. If you must rank them it would look like

SEC
Big 12

in no particular order ACC, Big 10, Pac 10

Big East


Furthermore, you want to know who the Big 10s best win this year is? Arizona. The Big Easts? Oregon St. They aren't exactly knocking off the Pats either. BTW did you really just discredit the Pitt win for the ACC because NC State beat them? You realize thats kinda the point right? Well below average ACC team beats Big East team contending for conference title.
 
in the eyes of everyone other than us it seems, if you go to espn.com and look at the simulation that predicted us to win everyone is laughing at it saying they will do this and that if tennessee wins and talking about how we will get "dominated" i (manning4mvp16) posted a reply to them saying why we have a shot, all of my friends also seem to think we are going to lose, the espn predictons have said we will lose

so my first question is, what makes them think that?

and my second one is, do you think it will help motivate us with nobody giving us a chance?

ESPN:fool:So what..who cares. They are also the ones who dogged us back in 98, we all know how that turned out! :)
 
in the eyes of everyone other than us it seems, if you go to espn.com and look at the simulation that predicted us to win everyone is laughing at it saying they will do this and that if tennessee wins and talking about how we will get "dominated" i (manning4mvp16) posted a reply to them saying why we have a shot, all of my friends also seem to think we are going to lose, the espn predictons have said we will lose

so my first question is, what makes them think that?Everyone hates kiffen

and my second one is, do you think it will help motivate us with nobody giving us a chance?That's up to the team
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year in and year out most BCS conferences are about equal.
No. That is perhaps more delusional than much of your other non-sense... and that's saying alot.

The SEC has been in the top 2 pretty much since the beginning of the BCS. Ten years ago I would have contended that the Big 10 year over year was the best conference but they've fallen off sharply. This year the SEC is still the best but most by default. The SEC has fallen off but so have the Pac 10 and Big 12.

The ACC and Big East have pretty much occupied the bottom tier for years now. The Big East has probably passed the ACC at this point.

If you must rank them it would look like

SEC
Big 12

in no particular order ACC, Big 10, Pac 10

Big Eastj
Nope. The Pac 10 doesn't fit in that group. They might be as good or a tad better than the SEC this year if you are looking top to bottom. The SEC gets the nod IMO because of Bama and UF.


Furthermore, you want to know who the Big 10s best win this year is? Arizona.
The Big 10 is pretty bad right now. j
The Big Easts? Oregon St.
Glad you didn't say UNC... You are right. OSU is better than UNC.
BTW did you really just discredit the Pitt win for the ACC because NC State beat them?
Yep. NCSU is a very bad football team at this point.
You realize thats kinda the point right? Well below average ACC team beats Big East team contending for conference title.
Nope. Your point was that Pitt was a quality win... and it isn't. Pitt has been very inconsistent for as long as Wanstadt has been there. Still it is considered a major, major choke for them to lose to NCSU.
 
They were in contention to win the Big East until the last week of the season. They were had to choke away a 21 point lead to the current #3 team to not win the conference. They get beat by a lower tier ACC team and that says nothing about the ACC being much better. Somehow the 5th best SEC team (USC) beats the 4th best ACC team (Clemson) and suddenly that is evidence of the vast superiority of the SEC. You are as hypocritical as they come.

Anyway, I'm out after this. Have fun at the game. I probably won't be back after. I don't want to rub it in if we win, and I don't want to hear it after a loss.
 
South Carolina sure as hell is not the fifth best SEC team. They are fourth in the East. At best, you could maybe say they are sixth. That would still be a stretch. They are probably somewhere in there with Auburn and Arkansas for seventh or eighth.
 
They were in contention to win the Big East until the last week of the season. They were had to choke away a 21 point lead to the current #3 team to not win the conference. They get beat by a lower tier ACC team and that says nothing about the ACC being much better. Somehow the 5th best SEC team (USC) beats the 4th best ACC team (Clemson) and suddenly that is evidence of the vast superiority of the SEC. You are as hypocritical as they come.

Anyway, I'm out after this. Have fun at the game. I probably won't be back after. I don't want to rub it in if we win, and I don't want to hear it after a loss.

Wow, you're kinda bad at math. Above USCe there is Bama, Fl, Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, UT and probably GA as well. So maybe they're our 8th-best and KY could probably beat them as well.
 
I think we lose by 43 points. Will be fun to watch though but only because of the schwacking that Vt hands us..:blink:
 

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