We have a bunch of unnecessary teeth gnashing regarding the NIL.

[GUNTERSVOL]

I think you are overstating the A&M thing a bit, it's not like they came out nowhere. Their 3 previous classes under Jimbo were ranked 8, 6 and 4 on the composite respectively, they finished ranked 4th in the AP and Coaches polls the year before and lost only one game. This year, their starting quarterback was lost for the year almost immediately, they still beat Bama at home in front of most of the nation's top recruits in attendance in one of the most raucous and exciting atmospheres of the year. They are one of two major universities in THE most talent laden state there is. If we had that kind of momentum it wouldn't be a shocker if we signed the nation's top class either regardless of what some anonymous message board poster named "slicedbread" tells BroBible. The truth is we really don't know what all was going on before, I guess we'll find out what Pruitt and Niedermeyer were doing one day when the report comes out.

On the other hand per Rivals, not that I trust them more but find it easier to use, they won this year at just over 3000 points by 66 points, last year lost by 1000, the year before lost by about 400 and the year before that lost by 300. That is a pretty significant deviation percentage.

On top of that in 2020 they only beat us by 300, closer to us than GA the winner that year.

 

[DaddyChad]

could be changed to read "gnashing of the tooth" not teeth.

How does one gnash a single tooth?

 

[EverythingOrange]

THIS! I can remember back in 1997….. The NFL had MAJOR performance, personal, & professional evaluators looking at every aspect between Peyton Manning & Ryan Leaf. — They we’re both going PRO! — And some people still couldn’t figure it out. Now, plus 10 times from 18 year olds out of High school - The NIL deals are just gonna screw everything up. All props to “Johnny Football” Manzeil!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

On the other hand per Rivals, not that I trust them more but find it easier to use, they won this year at just over 3000 points by 66 points, last year lost by 1000, the year before lost by about 400 and the year before that lost by 300. That is a pretty significant deviation percentage.

On top of that in 2020 they only beat us by 300, closer to us than GA the winner that year.

I generally look at the composite rankings. As I'm sure you know, the 247 composite rankings average the rankings of the various recruiting sites. That gives you the best overall picture imo as to how a recruit or class of recruits is perceived, takes away the natural inclination to shop for what you want to hear too, lol.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

NIL is an absolute invitation to corruption. It's a green light to pay prospects and players under the guise of some kind of business arrangement--whether real or imagined. Are there any regulations on NIL deals that players and local bizmen can make? Does anybody monitor these deals to see that they fulfill any requirements/regulations that might exist?I would think that schools could dangle supposed deals in front of top prospects with promises of cash upon signing/enrollment. You know that boosters will front the money to the prospect/player, but who's going to check to see that the deals are actually real? And will anyone care?

See thats what I want to know. I thought local businesses were supposed to get some kind of services rendered from these players in exchange for this so called NIL money they are getting paid besides just showing up on campus. I thought NIL was supposed to be like an outside job for these players where they agree to things like personal appearances, commercials, Billboard ads, images/names on tee shirts and jerseys, etc. I dont think the intention of NIL was ever supposed to be "hey come play for us, here's 100 grand".

 

[tnutater]

See thats what I want to know. I thought local businesses were supposed to get some kind of services rendered from these players in exchange for this so called NIL money they are getting paid besides just showing up on campus. I thought NIL was supposed to be like an outside job for these players where they agree to things like personal appearances, commercials, Billboard ads, images/names on tee shirts and jerseys, etc. I dont think the intention of NIL was ever supposed to be "hey come play for us, here's 100 grand".

Of course it was always about "come play for us, here is the $.
Very, very few high school/college football players have any marketable name recognition that would justify anyone paying them anything.
How many tee shirts does a QB gotta sell to make a million bucks??
Football players are paid to play football for the highest bidder.
Wake up.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Of course it was always about "come play for us, here is the $.
Very, very few high school/college football players have any marketable name recognition that would justify anyone paying them anything.
How many tee shirts does a QB gotta sell to make a million bucks??
Football players are paid to play football for the highest bidder.
Wake up.

Oh Im sorry. I guess I missed the memo where it said NIL earnings HAD to be a million dollars or bust. No, NIL was pitched as this way for college athletes to make money off of their name, image, and likeness. It was explained as a "side gig" that athletes would be allowed to pursue apart from the university. Because you know, so poor athletes like Arian Foster can afford a taco.

 

[sechamp2012]

Alabama paid 250,000 dollars for Albert Means in the 1990s. SMU boosters were buying corvettes and Cadillacs for every decent player plus more spending cash. UCLA player took pay cuts to go to the NBA in the 60s and 70s. Big big money has been around for years.

Yep, John Wooden had crooks around him throughout and he is looked on as the greatest College Basketball coach ever. It's been happening but it is going to get so widespread I do see some players possibly getting hoodwinked. Promises of big money, you get to college get invested in practice and classroom. Then you realize words like you MAY get or you SHOULD get close to a million a year was just a possibility, not a reality. Kind of like the Sweepstakes "You May have won a Million $$$$". I'm just sitting back and waiting for the fallout and the trial lawyers to come in with fraud cases, lawsuits settled out-of-court, lawyers getting rich players dropping out of school. It's like a soap opera with different dynamics going on and Oh yeah the sidebar will they will still have a football game on Saturdays. Get your popcorn out and buckle up It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

 

[tnutater]

Oh Im sorry. I guess I missed the memo where it said NIL earnings HAD to be a million dollars or bust. No, NIL was pitched as this way for college athletes to make money off of their name, image, and likeness. It was explained as a "side gig" that athletes would be allowed to pursue apart from the university. Because you know, so poor athletes like Arian Foster can afford a taco.

Perhaps you should not believe everything you are told by the talking heads or whoever pitched or explained all this to you.
Football players are paid for playing football. They always have been.
Star players get anything their feeble little minds desire. Anything to keep them happy and performing. Money, cars, hos, weed and yes, tacos and BigMacs.
Think of it as the same as positive reinforcement training.
Give puppy a treat and it quits pissing the floor.
Give a player a treat and he doesn't quit playing or transfer.

 

[Mtnvol80]

On the other hand per Rivals, not that I trust them more but find it easier to use, they won this year at just over 3000 points by 66 points, last year lost by 1000, the year before lost by about 400 and the year before that lost by 300. That is a pretty significant deviation percentage.

On top of that in 2020 they only beat us by 300, closer to us than GA the winner that year.

You're not figuring in the number of recruits. A&M signed more than bama but Bama had a higher average per recruit. Last year Bama signed 5 more than A&M. Bama also had a higher average per recruit but the 5 extra is what caused the big gap

 

[jackaro]

The only real problem I have with NIL is paying recruits before they ever step on the field. The whole idea of paying a kid that hasn't contributed a down has always been a hang up for me.

But it's actually same as it ever was, except now its publicly known rather than behind the green curtain. I hope it helps, and seems like it could with the way its being used.

I think this problem will fix itself. The organizations offering big bucks to incoming freshman will get burned enough through lack of production and/or transfers that they will be unwilling to make those offers again until the recruit comes in and starts to produce. I could be wrong, of course, but I think that is the way it is going to go.

 

[knoxvol16]

At minimum, I think the University should be reimbursed all scholarship costs/monies with NIL "earnings." After all, if it weren't for the opportunity to play for the University, there wouldn't be any opportunity for NIL earnings.

And, other than the fact that I just don't like NIL (for all the reasons I've previously posted), the whole NIL fiasco reminds me of speculation trading.

 

[greenbacknative]

How does one gnash a single tooth?

there is probably a hole in the gum where the one tooth settles in. Jawbone is at the bottom of that hole.

 

[The Original Fade]

I'm all for athletes having the opportunity to earn money on their name, image, and likeness. However what this is becoming is not what I thought it would be or was supposed to be. I thought NIL was for athletes to be able to collaborate with local businesses for things like commercials, billboards/ads, personal appearances, selling merch, etc and in return would command payment for such services. At least that is how it was framed when this concept was first introduced. However that doesn't seem like what is happening at all. NIL just seems now like an excuse for big money donors to throw large sums of cash at players to get them to come to their school with absolutely no expectation of additional services rendered in return. To me, that is NOT NIL. That is just an excuse to buy players above table. Texas A&M just bought the #1 recruiting class in the country. Literally bought it. And some will say "yeah well paying players always happened". Well sure but come on. Not at THIS level. NIL has eliminated the 100 dollar handshake but entire offensive lines weren't getting paid 50 grand a year and you didn't see QB's getting million dollar deals. It's nauseating.

What is really strange is how you and countless others couldn’t see that this is what it would become once it became law. It’s why I was against it from the start.

History is FULL of societies saying “that’ll never happen”, only to sit back a short time later and watch it happen in front of their eyes.

 

[butchna]

At minimum, I think the University should be reimbursed all scholarship costs/monies with NIL "earnings." After all, if it weren't for the opportunity to play for the University, there wouldn't be any opportunity for NIL earnings.

And, other than the fact that I just don't like NIL (for all the reasons I've previously posted), the whole NIL fiasco reminds me of speculation trading.

SEC teams alone get $56 mil a year from their network deal. They’ll squeak by.

 

[fossilfiction]

How does one gnash a single tooth?

It's the only option for the majority of Alabama fans.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

What is really strange is how you and countless others couldn’t see that this is what it would become once it became law. It’s why I was against it from the start.

History is FULL of societies saying “that’ll never happen”, only to sit back a short time later and watch it happen in front of their eyes.

Some people just don't understand that humanity will always sink to the lowest common denominator if allowed to. What you permit, you promote.

 

[knoxvol16]

SEC teams alone get $56 mil a year from their network deal. They’ll squeak by.

Agreed. But, in my eyes, it's about the principle, not the money itself.

 

[butchna]

Agreed. But, in my eyes, it's about the principle, not the money itself.

If they had your eyes, this would all be intramural.

 

[knoxvol16]

If they had your eyes, this would all be intramural.

It wasn't "intramural" before NIL, and you know that, so I'm not sure I understand your attempt at making an argument over my opinion . . . and I'm not sure you understand it either.

 

[butchna]

It wasn't "intramural" before NIL, and you know that, so I'm not sure I understand your attempt at making an argument over my opinion . . . and I'm not sure you understand it either.

I understand perfectly. Colleges are in this for the huge money involved. Whatever you’re arguing died billions and billions dollars ago…well before NIL.

 

[knoxvol16]

I understand perfectly. Colleges are in this for the huge money involved. Whatever you’re arguing died billions and billions dollars ago…well before NIL.

Once again you're attempting to shift your argument just because you don't like my opinion. The discussion isn't dead, which is exemplified by not only the number of threads started within this forum to discuss it, but by the fact that leading coaches are trying to walk the line between pandering to the new way of buying recruits, while attempting to find a way to level the NIL playing field between schools with new, or modifications to existing, respective state laws as no federal regulation of such yet exists.

The following article, which was written earlier this month, highlights both the pros and cons of the current state of the NIL system. Note the word "conundrum" in the title, I'm sure you know what that word means.

Schools brokering NIL deals adds layer to college conundrum

How NIL is administered will change, and part of that discussion will be about paid players also being granted scholarship money, as well as how an amateur collegiate athlete and a paid professional (collegiate) athlete is defined.

 

[butchna]

Once again you're attempting to shift your argument just because you don't like my opinion. The discussion isn't dead, which is exemplified by not only the number of threads started within this forum to discuss it, but by the fact that leading coaches are trying to walk the line between pandering to the new way of buying recruits, while attempting to find a way to level the NIL playing field between schools with new, or modifications to existing, respective state laws as no federal regulation of such yet exists.

The following article, which was written earlier this month, highlights both the pros and cons of the current state of the NIL system. Note the word "conundrum" in the title, I'm sure you know what that word means.

Schools brokering NIL deals adds layer to college conundrum

How NIL is administered will change, and part of that discussion will be about paid players also being granted scholarship money, as well as how an amateur collegiate athlete and a paid professional (collegiate) athlete is defined.

Schools still aren’t allowed to “broker” NIL deals. What this boils down to is trying to land talent with the pitch that they should pay their own tuition and school costs out of their earnings. Seems a little penurious coming from institutions making many more millions who also have a huge head start in that arena. I’ve always made it a point to value the education benefits of scholarships and the bigger picture that gets pushed aside when discussing the overall money grab. Big time sports has enabled many MANY student athletes with non-professional ceilings to better their lives and to turn that tap off so the elite can get paid out of high school is a travesty. The NIL allows the blue chippers to benefit and not claim “suffering”, yet still allow the schools to retain the money required to maintain the behemoth that is a big time sports program. Necessities such as facilities, maintenance, staff costs etc and make it WORTH that investment. There will be many examples that outrage the average, hard-working fan as the market corrects itself. No COMPETITIVE program is going to even bring up the subject that athletes able to generate income foot their own school costs. That’s how you cost your HC that athlete. It’s not a matter of how much I “like your opinion”, more towards it not being feasible so it’s a waste of time as a subject.