We have a bunch of unnecessary teeth gnashing regarding the NIL.

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I think is a great opportunity for UT to find its way back into the top 10. We've sucked for years and still have a program with top 10 value/revenue. NIL will be a good thing for Tennessee. I also think the flashy offense will help bring recruits to Rocky Top.
 
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The only real problem I have with NIL is paying recruits before they ever step on the field. The whole idea of paying a kid that hasn't contributed a down has always been a hang up for me.

But it's actually same as it ever was, except now its publicly known rather than behind the green curtain. I hope it helps, and seems like it could with the way its being used.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't like it but if that's the rule then find a way to turn it to your favor. I think Dabo is really making a mistake by resisting it and the portal.
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Dabo is about to really be up the creek without Venables. Unlike Heupel, Kiffin, Saban or Smart, Dabo does not have individual mastery of either side of the ball. He's always been dependent on his coordinators, especially Venables. Defense was the cornerstone of everything they built. We need them to fall, more than any other program, they have taken our seat at the table recruiting wise.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
The only real problem I have with NIL is paying recruits before they ever step on the field. The whole idea of paying a kid that hasn't contributed a down has always been a hang up for me.

But it's actually same as it ever was, except now its publicly known rather than behind the green curtain. I hope it helps, and seems like it could with the way its being used.
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Paying unproven recruits happens every day. It’s called the corporate workplace, where raw unproven recruits are hired and paid based upon potential not proven track records. Some make it, some don’t, most are just serviceable and soon end up underpaid relative to their more successful peers.

Nothing new to see here.
 
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I'm all for athletes having the opportunity to earn money on their name, image, and likeness. However what this is becoming is not what I thought it would be or was supposed to be. I thought NIL was for athletes to be able to collaborate with local businesses for things like commercials, billboards/ads, personal appearances, selling merch, etc and in return would command payment for such services. At least that is how it was framed when this concept was first introduced. However that doesn't seem like what is happening at all. NIL just seems now like an excuse for big money donors to throw large sums of cash at players to get them to come to their school with absolutely no expectation of additional services rendered in return. To me, that is NOT NIL. That is just an excuse to buy players above table. Texas A&M just bought the #1 recruiting class in the country. Literally bought it. And some will say "yeah well paying players always happened". Well sure but come on. Not at THIS level. NIL has eliminated the 100 dollar handshake but entire offensive lines weren't getting paid 50 grand a year and you didn't see QB's getting million dollar deals. It's nauseating.
 
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Woke said:
Paying unproven recruits happens every day. It’s called the corporate workplace, where raw unproven recruits are hired and paid based upon potential not proven track records. Some make it, some don’t, most are just serviceable and soon end up underpaid relative to their more successful peers.

Nothing new to see here.
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Right, which is why I said same as it ever was.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
Right, which is why I said same as it ever was.
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Bullsh_t. If it's "the same as it ever was" then why did it take until AFTER NIL went into effect for A&M to buy the #1 class in the country? If it's the same as it ever was, why weren't schools like Samford signing the #1 player in the country before NIL? I'm not saying players weren't paid before. But you didn't see or hear about unproven players getting multi-million dollar deals under the table before. The egregiousness in which NIL has allowed for big money donors to buy players to come to their schools, I'm sorry but it's shameless. Yeah, I'll hold my nose and deal with it because, what choice do I have? I'm too addicted to college football to walk away. But what is happening right now is not how NIL was pitched to us when it was first introduced. It has become a ridiculous bidding war over players.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Bullsh_t. If it's "the same as it ever was" then why did it take until AFTER NIL went into effect for A&M to buy the #1 class in the country? If it's the same as it ever was, why weren't schools like Samford signing the #1 player in the country before NIL? I'm not saying players weren't paid before. But you didn't see or hear about unproven players getting multi-million dollar deals under the table before. The egregiousness in which NIL has allowed for big money donors to buy players to come to their schools, I'm sorry but it's shameless. Yeah, I'll hold my nose and deal with it because, what choice do I have? I'm too addicted to college football to walk away. But what is happening right now is not how NIL was pitched to us when it was first introduced. It has become a ridiculous bidding war over players.
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The amounts are public nowadays. NONE of us ever knew how much a player got, with any surety.

Logan Young supposedly got Albert Means $200k to play for Bama in the 90's. That was almost 25 years ago!!!

Scam Newton got $250k to play for Auburn, and it was put into the collection plate at his Dad's church. Best money Auburn ever spent, iyam. I highly doubt that was the end of the money for Scam, especially after taking them as high as he did.



That's the closest we ever got to know amounts. Its not that far fetched to imagine that the price has gone up in the past 25 years. Inflation and supply chain! COVID! Russia is taking back the Ukraine for God's sakes.

Hold your nose all you want, but let's not pretend that million dollar deals are that shocking when 12-25 years ago it was 6 figure deals all day long.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
The amounts are public nowadays. NONE of us ever knew how much a player got, with any surety.

Logan Young supposedly got Albert Means $200k to play for Bama in the 90's. That was almost 25 years ago!!!

Scam Newton got $250k to play for Auburn, and it was put into the collection plate at his Dad's church. Best money Auburn ever spent, iyam. I highly doubt that was the end of the money for Scam, especially after taking them as high as he did.



That's the closest we ever got to know amounts. Its not that far fetched to imagine that the price has gone up in the past 25 years. Inflation and supply chain! COVID! Russia is taking back the Ukraine for God's sakes.

Hold your nose all you want, but let's not pretend that million dollar deals are that shocking when 12-25 years ago it was 6 figure deals all day long.
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There is an ex UT qb that "jokingly?" claims to have taken a paycut when he was a late round draft pick.

I feel confident that is close to the truth.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
The only real problem I have with NIL is paying recruits before they ever step on the field. The whole idea of paying a kid that hasn't contributed a down has always been a hang up for me.

But it's actually same as it ever was, except now its publicly known rather than behind the green curtain. I hope it helps, and seems like it could with the way its being used.
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NIL is an absolute invitation to corruption. It's a green light to pay prospects and players under the guise of some kind of business arrangement--whether real or imagined. Are there any regulations on NIL deals that players and local bizmen can make? Does anybody monitor these deals to see that they fulfill any requirements/regulations that might exist? I would think that schools could dangle supposed deals in front of top prospects with promises of cash upon signing/enrollment. You know that boosters will front the money to the prospect/player, but who's going to check to see that the deals are actually real? And will anyone care?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I'm all for athletes having the opportunity to earn money on their name, image, and likeness. However what this is becoming is not what I thought it would be or was supposed to be. I thought NIL was for athletes to be able to collaborate with local businesses for things like commercials, billboards/ads, personal appearances, selling merch, etc and in return would command payment for such services. At least that is how it was framed when this concept was first introduced. However that doesn't seem like what is happening at all. NIL just seems now like an excuse for big money donors to throw large sums of cash at players to get them to come to their school with absolutely no expectation of additional services rendered in return. To me, that is NOT NIL. That is just an excuse to buy players above table. Texas A&M just bought the #1 recruiting class in the country. Literally bought it. And some will say "yeah well paying players always happened". Well sure but come on. Not at THIS level. NIL has eliminated the 100 dollar handshake but entire offensive lines weren't getting paid 50 grand a year and you didn't see QB's getting million dollar deals. It's nauseating.
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Alabama paid 250,000 dollars for Albert Means in the 1990s. SMU boosters were buying corvettes and Cadillacs for every decent player plus more spending cash. UCLA player took pay cuts to go to the NBA in the 60s and 70s. Big big money has been around for years.
 
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turbovol said:
NIL is an absolute invitation to corruption. It's a green light to pay prospects and players under the guise of some kind of business arrangement--whether real or imagined. Are there any regulations on NIL deals that players and local bizmen can make? Does anybody monitor these deals to see that they fulfill any requirements/regulations that might exist? I would think that schools could dangle supposed deals in front of top prospects with promises of cash upon signing/enrollment. You know that boosters will front the money to the prospect/player, but who's going to check to see that the deals are actually real? And will anyone care?
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There are rules institution to institution. Tennessee Athletics Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) Information & Guidance

As of now the institutions are enforcing, which equates to the fox guarding the henhouse. We’ll see if any political will develops to govern it consistently among schools, but I suspect we’re on the cusp of the Lincoln County War of college football. Not sure if there’s a Rutherford B. Hayes to quell it. Maybe that’s Greg Sanke?

Lincoln County War - Wikipedia

The proof of this pudding will be in the eating, and we’ve barely taken a bite.

All this is only six months old.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I'm all for athletes having the opportunity to earn money on their name, image, and likeness. However what this is becoming is not what I thought it would be or was supposed to be. I thought NIL was for athletes to be able to collaborate with local businesses for things like commercials, billboards/ads, personal appearances, selling merch, etc and in return would command payment for such services. At least that is how it was framed when this concept was first introduced. However that doesn't seem like what is happening at all. NIL just seems now like an excuse for big money donors to throw large sums of cash at players to get them to come to their school with absolutely no expectation of additional services rendered in return. To me, that is NOT NIL. That is just an excuse to buy players above table. Texas A&M just bought the #1 recruiting class in the country. Literally bought it. And some will say "yeah well paying players always happened". Well sure but come on. Not at THIS level. NIL has eliminated the 100 dollar handshake but entire offensive lines weren't getting paid 50 grand a year and you didn't see QB's getting million dollar deals. It's nauseating.
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I think you are overstating the A&M thing a bit, it's not like they came out nowhere. Their 3 previous classes under Jimbo were ranked 8, 6 and 4 on the composite respectively, they finished ranked 4th in the AP and Coaches polls the year before and lost only one game. This year, their starting quarterback was lost for the year almost immediately, they still beat Bama at home in front of most of the nation's top recruits in attendance in one of the most raucous and exciting atmospheres of the year. They are one of two major universities in THE most talent laden state there is. If we had that kind of momentum it wouldn't be a shocker if we signed the nation's top class either regardless of what some anonymous message board poster named "slicedbread" tells BroBible. The truth is we really don't know what all was going on before, I guess we'll find out what Pruitt and Niedermeyer were doing one day when the report comes out.
 
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