We deserved to lose (Facts inside)

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Favor, can you post your resume? I didn't catch what schools your nelda HC

And i didn't catch where he quoted his record... but did show the records of USCjr last three coaching hires vs the records of our last three coaching hires. Fairly certain he made his point and only those who refuse to see that our administration are more concerned with salaries than wins are struggling to understand his point.

 

[bpalmer28]

That’s yet to be determined

Not by me it isn’t and not by every “expert” I’ve listened to other than Polluck and Murray.

 

[DC_Vol]

He would have been better than Dooley, Butch, or Schiano but there’s a reason why none of them are currently a head coach.

Fulmer took a shot with someone that has greater upside and I’ve seen enough to believe it was a very, very good move. He’s doing very well with what he’s got IMO. Once Pruitt fills the defense with more of his guys like Taylor, Thompson, Banks and Flowers every Vol fan will be happy with what we see on Saturdays. But you simply can’t win with a DL that gets pushed back as bad as ours does.

Yeah I don’t disagree at all. Two very different strategies. I like where PF decided to go. And whoever got the job was going to have a lot of deficiencies to work around.

My response was aimed at someone snickering at the idea of hiring Miles. I wouldn’t be surprised if Les got more out of this team than the current staff. He’s just got more experience and knows how to manage a program. Fulmer is playing the longer game with JP.

 

[DC_Vol]

Favor, can you post your resume? I didn't catch what schools you held a HC position.

I’m a pretty big deal in the Madden community. Just FYI.

 

[volberry]

Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...

I agree. And it shows on the field.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

And i didn't catch where he quoted his record... but did show the records of USCjr last three coaching hires vs the records of our last three coaching hires. Fairly certain he made his point and only those who refuse to see that our administration are more concerned with salaries than wins are struggling to understand his point.

No, you only have to look in the mirror, no respectful HC is going to come to UT with fans that think they know how to coach, btw, rufus followed Spurrier at USC, not Botch Jones.

 

[dcm3w]

Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...

I agree that our administration whiffed on the Jones hire. They screwed up royally with Dooley and last year's coaching search. But I disagree with calling JP a bad hire. We've improved a lot from last season but remember we were a 4-8 team.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

I’m a pretty big deal in the Madden community. Just FYI.

Sure u r, keep saying that =/

 

[FlyFishnVol]

That’s yet to be determined

But that doesn't stop you from making idiotic statements

 

[NEVolFan]

If you can’t see that we made a good hire you’re blind.

Correct!

Its like this... Butchie got fired and left a Chevy Chevette (2L, 4 cylinders) for Pruitt to use... well Coach has polished it, changed the oil, and put premium gas in that thing... runs a little better, but gets hammered by all those 8 cylinders in the SEC. Pruitt is trading that thing in... but has to wait for next years models to come out. SOON.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...

That train left the station with the Jones hire. Top coaches don't want to work for these people, its that simple. This administration doesn't care what happens as long as they get the SEC network and SEC bowl split. They are content with where they are.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

No, you only have to look in the mirror, no respectful HC is going to come to UT with fans that think they know how to coach, btw, rufus followed Spurrier at USC, not Botch Jones.

Right... all other fan bases lick the shoes of their coaches...like you boys,

and I have no idea what the rufus comment is about

 

[Gandalf]

Pruitt may or may not be able to turn UT into a powerhouse but you people are idiots for thinking he is going to turn the worst team in UT's entire history around in less than a single year.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Correct!

Its like this... Butchie got fired and left a Chevy Chevette (2L, 4 cylinders) for Pruitt to use... well Coach has polished it, changed the oil, and put premium gas in that thing... runs a little better, but gets hammered by all those 8 cylinders in the SEC. Pruitt is trading that thing in... but has to wait for next years models to come out. SOON.

At the rate we're recruiting, we will be taking a 2019 base model Accord out on the F1 circuit next year. Better than a Chevette? Probably. But not gonna get the job done. We need the Ferrari.

 

[bpalmer28]

Okay color me blind.

Now tell me specifics that make CJP a good hire. And the "we are getting better each week" isn't a specific it's just a cover. Is it the discipline shown by the team? The tremendous comebacks they've shown? How much better they are playing now versus the beginning of the year?

It’s the way younger guys are pissed at older guys for not doing their job. It’s the way we scheme around weaknesses on both sides of the ball, playing to win rather than playing to keep it close. It’s coaches taking ownership of shortcomings and answering questions in a way that proves they know what they’re doing. It’s quarterback development and corners playing on an All-SEC level despite only being dedicated to the position for 7 months. It’s an offensive line that somehow blocks well enough to win despite losing their leader a few days ago. It’s knowing what’s wrong and how to fix it. It’s humble confidence instead of smoke and mirrors. It’s a head coach who commands respect without demanding respect.

There’s 4 positions on defense that are killing us right now. If Flowers were healthy it’d only be 3. The only thing I’m concerned about is the defensive line because it’s so hard to find guys who can compete as true freshmen.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Pruitt may or may not be able to turn UT into a powerhouse but you people are idiots for thinking he is going to turn the worst team in UT's entire history around in less than a single year.

But are we idiots for thinking that last night's game was not only winnable but we got out-coached in the process of losing it?

I don't think so.

 

[piratelifeforme]

Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...

I notice you conveniently left Chip Kelly off your list of coaches who would have won last nite. Usually when people cherry pick stats it is because their arguement is weak and this thread is no different.
Mike Leach has his players and his O would SUCK with JG at qb as would Gundy's. You are comparing coaches who have been in their programs for years to one who has yet to reach his 1st anniversary.....but dont let facts stand in your way of being negative.

 

[albedo33]

One pattern you invariably see when a team is rebuilding, with a new coaching staff, is this: they win games few expected them to win, and then lose games the coulda, woulda, shoulda won.

In 1964, Doug Dickey's 1st year as HC, the Vols were 4-2-1 after beating favored Georgia Tech, #7 in the country at the time, in Atlanta. UT then went on to lose to Ole Miss, KY, & Vandy, none of whom had a winning record that year, by a combined score of 49-7. The joke around campus was that the Vols were going to a bowl all right - the Toilet Bowl.

Dickey's teams went 16-4-2 in the next 2 years and in '67 won the SEC.

 

[piratelifeforme]

Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...

I notice you conveniently left Chip Kelly off your list of coaches who would have won last nite. Usually when people cherry pick stats it is because their arguement is weak and this thread is no different.
Mike Leach has his players and his O would SUCK with JG at qb as would Gundy's. You are comparing coaches who have been in their programs for years to one who has yet to reach his 1st anniversary.....but dont let facts stand in your way of being negative.

 

[VolAllen]

Pruitt may or may not be able to turn UT into a powerhouse but you people are idiots for thinking he is going to turn the worst team in UT's entire history around in less than a single year.

My issue is not whether he can or can't, it's that I don't feel the University has put us in the best position to succeed. JP may end up being a great coach, but we may have to wait a while. And I don't like that, considering Florida doesn't seem like they're having to wait at all.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Dumbest fans in America.

It’s not even close.

 

[NEVolFan]

At the rate we're recruiting, we will be taking a 2019 base model Accord out on the F1 circuit next year. Better than a Chevette? Probably. But not gonna get the job done. We need the Ferrari.

I think Saban has a luxury dealership... Pruitt may get a deal there.

 

[VolAllen]

I notice you conveniently left Chip Kelly off your list of coaches who would have won last nite. Usually when people cherry pick stats it is because their arguement is weak and this thread is no different.
Mike Leach has his players and his O would SUCK with JG at qb as would Gundy's. You are comparing coaches who have been in their programs for years to one who has yet to reach his 1st anniversary.....but dont let facts stand in your way of being negative.

The only reason I didn't include Chip Kelly is because he was never interested in the UT job. The only coaches I mentioned are coaches that got interviewed/showed interest in UT.

 

[bpalmer28]

Yeah I don’t disagree at all. Two very different strategies. I like where PF decided to go. And whoever got the job was going to have a lot of deficiencies to work around.

My response was aimed at someone snickering at the idea of hiring Miles. I wouldn’t be surprised if Les got more out of this team than the current staff. He’s just got more experience and knows how to manage a program. Fulmer is playing the longer game with JP.

There was a time during the chaotic search that I wanted Miles. I didn’t mean to come across like I think he would’ve been terrible. Just really glad we got who we got.

 

[RollerVol]

so, OP, by that thinking, we deserved to lose to Auburn, and to lose out the rest of the way...geez, it's tough to be a Vol fan and this analytical thinking makes me so tired...

GO VOLS!