We are quickly losing the battle with LGBTIQ...

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volfanhill said:
I keep reading crap like this. As far as I can tell you can’t call people names, people can use the toilet they want, and you call people by the name they want. Oh the horror.
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They always like to say keep the bedroom in the bedroom, but mild pda involving heterosexual couples is fine. They honestly believe that telling their co-worker that he/she is going to rot in hell is acceptable conduct in the workplace.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
No actual oppression? GTFO there certainly is oppression. Reread this thread.

Some of the arguments made

1. homosexuality is akin to pedophilia
2. children are not successful in gay households.
3. gay people should restrict their activities to designated areas which areas should also include prostitution and drug use.
4. homosexuality is just a fetish
5. homosexuals shouldn't be able to adopt children.
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1. i wouldn't say "akin" to pedophilia except for the sexual fetish part, and it's between legal consenting adults which of course is different
2. i would say there ARE successful households with gay parents lovingly raising a kid, of course this is preferable to foster homes/living on the streets; However a child is BEST raised with proper gender roles as defined as mother and father and every psychologist from Freud on would tell you the importance of how a child relates to parents of the same and opposite sex
3. I dont agree with this, if you are talking about hand-holding, kissing, normal PDA i don't care if they do that, I DO CARE if it is the walking down the street half naked in a parade with a dildo strapped to your head to celebrate your sexual desires...that's pointless and vulgar
4. homosexuality is a fetish, just like the other 200 or so ones out there, it is a sexual stimulus and response due to sexual desire, and mostly brought on from some childhood issue, sometimes trauma and sexual abuse
5. see #2
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
1. i wouldn't say "akin" to pedophilia except for the sexual fetish part, and it's between legal consenting adults which of course is different
2. i would say there ARE successful households with gay parents lovingly raising a kid, of course this is preferable to foster homes/living on the streets; However a child is BEST raised with proper gender roles as defined as mother and father and every psychologist from Freud on would tell you the importance of how a child relates to parents of the same and opposite sex
3. I dont agree with this, if you are talking about hand-holding, kissing, normal PDA i don't care if they do that, I DO CARE if it is the walking down the street half naked in a parade with a dildo strapped to your head to celebrate your sexual desires...that's pointless and vulgar
4. homosexuality is a fetish, just like the other 200 or so ones out there, it is a sexual stimulus and response due to sexual desire, and mostly brought on from some childhood issue, sometimes trauma and sexual abuse
5. see #2
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I do not believe that modern studies bear that statement out. And again, you compare a gay household to living on the street. I am not sure how you don't believe that such statements show your true beliefs.

If you claim that homosexuality is a fetish, you must also believe that heterosexuality is also a fetish.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I'm not "focused" on this one, i was answering posts in this thread talking about it, i also have discussed many types of daily sins from adultery, stealing, hurting others, etc. I am not disgusted by homosexuality any more or less than other sexual fetishes people have, that's you assigning thoughts and motivations to others
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The fact that you think it's a fetish just blatantly advertises your unwillingness to understand anything that makes you uneasy.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. #victimhood
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Let's take a gander at your original post...

C-south said:
The fact you regard homosexuality and pedophilia mutually exclusive from one another says a lot about you. Two mental illness that are very alike.
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Clearwater Vol said:
And there's the blatant hate
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At the best your statement demonstrates ignorance and intolerance. I know you like to cloak it in religion, but religious zealots have always resisted social change the same way... either way I stand by my statement.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
The fact that you think it's a fetish just blatantly advertises your unwillingness to understand anything that makes you uneasy.
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I think some of the guys are struggling with the issue themselves. Makes them uncomfortable or hits to close to home.
 
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Not religious, do not look down on those who are, but, what I do not get is this:

why turning a cheek and not passing judgement (regardless if deserved in the eyes of the faith as it is viewed), and tolerating whatever the sin or act is, even if one passes judgment, isn't the ?better/correct? solution than speaking out against, condemning, or actively going after the sin and sinner?

How, if we are all sinners, and no one but God can pass judgement, why crusade against the sin and sinner? Shouldn't it, the "sin", as well as the "sinner", be looked at as no different than any other "sin" or "sinner" regardless of the "sin"?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Let's take a gander at your original post...

C-south said:


Clearwater Vol said:


At the best your statement demonstrates ignorance and intolerance. I know you like to cloak it in religion, but religious zealots have always resisted social change the same way... either way I stand by my statement.
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No it doesn’t. You see what you want to see and the first thing you look for is something to cry racist, bigot, “hate”, etc about.
 
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If we're going to start talking sin and repenting, we need to get rid of our Western misunderstanding of the words.

Sin comes from a Greek word that means "to miss the mark", as in archery. So when we sin, we are missing the opportunity to meet the exactness of the law. All have missed the mark. Some go as far as to aim and fire at others. But the overarching meaning is that failure to live a life that hits the bullseye with every shot subjects us to death, which is why grace exists.

Repent comes from hammartia, which means to change one's mind. So rather than wailing and confessing and begging forgiveness, repenting means altering how you think of the issue in the first place. If you can get out of the penalty of your behavior with an animal sacrifice at the temple or with a prayer of confession, what's the point? Repenting - changing your mind - is intentional, long term, and HARD. And people really don't want to do it.
 
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My wife has several gay guys that work for her, for some reason property management is popular career choice for them. I've met most if not all of them and they are pretty good guys but there are a few that I couldn't have representing my company in the field. Discrimination? Absolutely but there is no way I could send a flamboyant flamer (for lack of a better term) out to a construction site to discuss erosion control.
 
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C-south said:
No it doesn’t. You see what you want to see and the first thing you look for is something to cry racist, bigot, “hate”, etc about.
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You have thrown out a factually incorrect statement. You have not even attempted to defend it. What else should I see?

I stand by my statement.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I do not believe that modern studies bear that statement out. And again, you compare a gay household to living on the street. I am not sure how you don't believe that such statements show your true beliefs.

If you claim that homosexuality is a fetish, you must also believe that heterosexuality is also a fetish.
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No i said that living in a gay household was clearly better than living on the street. I am not sure what you think my "true beliefs" are but you utilize the strawman argument a lot

And no, heterosexuality is normalcy
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
The fact that you think it's a fetish just blatantly advertises your unwillingness to understand anything that makes you uneasy.
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lol i don't feel uneasy at all about homosexuality, i did a research paper on various sexual fetishes in college for my minor, and i studied the real dark and sick stuff...but guess what?
that stuff is still deviant and wrong, no matter what "level of fetish" it is
 
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76vol said:
I've been married to a divorced woman for close to 40 years.
According to the biblical Jesus that makes us adulterers unless infidelity was involved.
Not committing adultery is one of the ten commandments.
Biblical Jesus never addressed homosexuality.
Yes, I know Paul did.

I've always wondered if the preachers who refused to marry gays also refused to marry divorced people.
Did the bakers who refused to make a wedding cake for gays have an issue with making one for divorced couples.
Did the West Virginia county clerk Kim Davis who refused to issue marriage licenses to gays do the same when divorced couples wanted one.
If the answer to these questions is no aren't they hypocrites?

If your view of homosexuals is based on it being a sin issue does my marriage bother you also?
If not isn't that hypocritical?
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But if you're like most of us who have been married 40+ years, you're not "sinning" as much as you once did
 
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hog88 said:
My wife has several gay guys that work for her, for some reason property management is popular career choice for them. I've met most if not all of them and they are pretty good guys but there are a few that I couldn't have representing my company in the field. Discrimination? Absolutely but there is no way I could send a flamboyant flamer (for lack of a better term) out to a construction site to discuss erosion control.
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My office of 35 has 5. Several of them are more conservative, like actually conservative, than this board. 2 of them you wouldnt know, and they are on job sites a good bit. The ones in relationships are more faithful and loving than most straight couples I know.
 
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hog88 said:
My wife has several gay guys that work for her, for some reason property management is popular career choice for them. I've met most if not all of them and they are pretty good guys but there are a few that I couldn't have representing my company in the field. Discrimination? Absolutely but there is no way I could send a flamboyant flamer (for lack of a better term) out to a construction site to discuss erosion control.
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I have a client that owns a roofing company. Rough neck business for sure. He hired a "flamer" who was his wife's brother, as a favor to her. He expected him to quit in a week. The guy became his most productive roofer very quickly. He now runs 4 or 5 roofing crews and demands and gets the respect of every person on each jobsite. This includes large commercial jobs where he commands the respect of other subs, owners and developers. My bigotry is still apparent because I didn't think he could do it and I am still amazed when I talk to the guy.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Not religious, do not look down on those who are, but, what I do not get is this:

why turning a cheek and not passing judgement (regardless if deserved in the eyes of the faith as it is viewed), and tolerating whatever the sin or act is, even if one passes judgment, isn't the ?better/correct? solution than speaking out against, condemning, or actively going after the sin and sinner?

How, if we are all sinners, and no one but God can pass judgement, why crusade against the sin and sinner? Shouldn't it, the "sin", as well as the "sinner", be looked at as no different than any other "sin" or "sinner" regardless of the "sin"?
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who is "going after" anyone? I am not going knocking on peoples' doors and saying you are going to hell right now because of your lifestyles....i'm simply saying it's not hate for a person to state i don't agree or accept your lifestyle because of these reasons, we aren't the ones bringing up the conversation about how "normal and accepting" homosexuality is
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No i said that living in a gay household was clearly better than living on the street. I am not sure what you think my "true beliefs" are but you utilize the strawman argument a lot

And no, heterosexuality is normalcy
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You would never make the statement that living in a heterosexual household is clearly better than living on the streets. You would never make that comparison. So, yes, your statements demonstrate your beliefs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You would never make the statement that living in a heterosexual household is clearly better than living on the streets. You would never make that comparison. So, yes, your statements demonstrate your beliefs.
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yes i would because that is also a true statement, living in a heterosexual household is clearly better than living on the streets
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I have a client that owns a roofing company. Rough neck business for sure. He hired a "flamer" who was his wife's brother, as a favor to her. He expected him to quit in a week. The guy became his most productive roofer very quickly. He now runs 4 or 5 roofing crews and demands and gets the respect of every person on each jobsite. This includes large commercial jobs where he commands the respect of other subs, owners and developers. My bigotry is still apparent because I didn't think he could do it and I am still amazed when I talk to the guy.
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Cool, so what did the guy's sexual preferences have to do with anything? Why would you even care to know what it is?
 
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