we are paying the price..

#227
#227
I know I will get flamed for being honest and actually posting my true thoughts on here but I sure missed the Chief today.

He may have given up many 3rd and longs but we use to actually tackle
 
#228
#228
mstanfo3 said:
That will be looking like a quality year after this year. I would have given Fulmer one more year to prove he could still hang with the sec and recruit
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No it won't. We were loaded in 05. Squandered talent doesn't even begin to describe it.
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#229
#229
vol4eva said:
We stumbled a$$ backward in to that SECC game. Fulmer should have been canned after the '05 train wreck. We wouldn't have a prayer of competing in the east under Fulmer.
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I'd rather "stumble a$$ backward in the SECC game" than be double digits dogs every week and play frequently like we deserve to be, set modern margin-of-loss records in Neyland, never be ranked a single week of the season (something that never happened in a single season under Fulmer), and be looking at 7-6 seasons as the best we can hope we can "stumble a$$ backwards" into.
 
#230
#230
vol4eva said:
Fulmer(the proven coach) that was consistently getting drilled by our top rivals would have us competing for the east?
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"Consistently getting drilled" eh?

A Season Under Fulmer
Odds of us losing to all 3 rivals in a season: less than 20%
Odds of us losing to all 3 by 14 or more: never
Odds of us losing to every top-20 opponent: less than 10%
Odds of winning 7 or fewer games: less than 20%
 
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#231
Volfan8282 said:
We were better last year under Kiffin than Fulmer's last year. There's little debate about that. There's also little debate that Kiffin was recruiting head and shoulders above Fulmer's level.
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So Kiffin did better than Fulmer's worst year in Knoxville. Kudos. How did Fulmer do after his down seasons before?

1995: 11-1
2003: 10-3
2006: 9-4

Fact: Fulmer never had bad back-to-back seasons in 16+ years in Knoxville, and he didn't follow up a bad season celebrating a 7-6 record that went 0-4 against top-20 teams, either.
 
#232
#232
Volfan8282 said:
Haha good one. It's a weird dynamic they have there at USC. They have good talent (especially on offense), but there's got to be a sense of "Who cares?" from the players too. I was kinda surprised it was as close as it was. Stanford is solid. I wonder if we contacted Harbaugh for the UT position. Do you know?
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Harbaugh has zero interest; he wasn't even interested in Notre Dame. The only position he'd leave for would be the pros. Remember -- the head coaches of Air Force and Utah turned us down.
 
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#233
I loved Fulmer, like all Vols, when we were a force in college football. But anybody who thought we were a force the last 5 years of his tenure is in denial. His loyalty to assistants got him in trouble. We did not recruit based on need and the development of players was not there without Cut on offense. I know Chief got criticized for 3rd and long, but look at the job he is doing at LSU. Phil gave hia heart to the Vol Nation but it was time for a change. Dooley will get us there. My biggest disappointment this season is the Wilcox defense. I hope it is just our lack of SEC talent and limited roster causing our problems on the pass rush situation. We have zero pressure with the DL.

GO VOLS!!
 
#234
#234
Another one of "them"......no, Fulmer would not have "weathered the storm" He's the biggest reason why we are where we are as a program
 
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#235
coach799 said:
I hope it is just our lack of SEC talent and limited roster causing our problems on the pass rush situation. We have zero pressure with the DL.

GO VOLS!!
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That definitely is a reason, but we are
signing a large group of 3 star players and hoping that they will be coached up by a set of coaches who haven't even proven that they can count to 11 at this point. It us still early in the recruiting season, but I believe we are currently 8th in recruiting inside the conference.

Every week makes me lose more faith that we are on the right track. Sure, most thought a 2-4 start was likely, but can anyone honestly tell me that a blowout loss to a team that was 1-4 with a loss to Colorado on their resume is acceptable? Saying that we are where we thought we'd be rings hollow when the team is getting blown out by the worst Georgia team in over a decade and should have lost to UAB. This week was a total regression. They were not mentally prepared and the mistakes killed them. As for Fulmer, no comment...
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#236
Fulmer with a really good offensive coordinator could have turned this program around. If we had never lost Cutcliffe at the end of 98 we would still be a powerhouse right now. The only reason Eli went to Ole Miss was because that is where Cutcliffe was. We would have had Eli, the program would have had discipline and we would still be kicking the crap out of people right now.

Fulmer by himself is mediocre, Cutcliffe by himself is mediocre, but together they made a great head coach.

Before Cutcliffe left the last time Terrelle Pryor was really considering Tennessee. When Cutcliffe decided to take the head-coaching job at Duke we lost our chance with Pryor. Think about how different the program would be right now if we still had Cutcliffe and Pryor was our QB.

"I don't plan on playing at Duke, but I just want to see coach [David] Cutcliffe," says Pryor, who was recruited by Cutcliffe when he was the offensive coordinator at Tennessee before taking the Duke position. "I wish he stayed at Tennessee. They would have been among my final choices. I just want to catch up with him. He can talk quarterback real well."
 
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#237
VegasVol said:
"Consistently getting drilled" eh?

A Season Under Fulmer
Odds of us losing to all 3 rivals in a season: less than 20%
Odds of us losing to all 3 by 14 or more: never
Odds of us losing to every top-20 opponent: less than 10%
Odds of winning 7 or fewer games: less than 20%
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You realize the odds of that happening under every coach preceding him were 0%?
 
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#238
VegasVol said:
So Kiffin did better than Fulmer's worst year in Knoxville. Kudos. How did Fulmer do after his down seasons before?

1995: 11-1
2003: 10-3
2006: 9-4

Fact: Fulmer never had bad back-to-back seasons in 16+ years in Knoxville, and he didn't follow up a bad season celebrating a 7-6 record that went 0-4 against top-20 teams, either.
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Fact: 2008 was as good as it was going to get. Take a look at that roster, the results he got with it, and explain how he'd have done well in 2009 and 2010.
 
#240
#240
I agree but I also think CDD will do well. Everyone needs to give the guy some time. Saban couldn't have made a good team out of these guys after all of the turmoil for the last few years. Fulmer was screwed by MH when Cutt left and they wouldn't let him bring his first choice of staff in. All in all, it is just a mess that is going to take time to repair. I think Kiffin could have turned it around faster but we, as fans, would have to defend that idiot for all of his brash actions. CDD will get it turned around.............in time.
 
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#241
KappinSpaulding said:
Fulmer was screwed by MH when Cutt left and they wouldn't let him bring his first choice of staff in.
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I keep hearing this, but no one has mentioned who this was. The first guy he offered, Rob Spence, said no and ended up looking even worse than Clawson in 2008.
 
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#242
kptvol said:
I keep hearing this, but no one has mentioned who this was. The first guy he offered, Rob Spence, said no and ended up looking even worse than Clawson in 2008.
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Fulmer had Michigan's offensive staff ready to come to TN but the powers wouldn't pay for them. Michigan was good at that time and Cutt's staff made more money......that is what I heard from a guy where my boat is that knows Johnny Majors.
 
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#243
KappinSpaulding said:
Fulmer had Michigan's offensive staff ready to come to TN but the powers wouldn't pay for them. Michigan was good at that time and Cutt's staff made more money......that is what I heard from a guy where my boat is that knows Johnny Majors.
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Bringing in the MI staff, woulf have probably gotten Mallet too
 
#244
#244
Since 2005: Sanders, Cutt, Clawson, Kiffin, Chaney all near NSD. We are playing freshman as starters which is a huge flag as to why we are losing. If they can get some depth 2D I think they can win some games.
 
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#246
fulmer is as relevant to the present vols situation as bill battle. that was then, this is now. all the good programs go through ocassional droughts. in the last twenty years, alabama, texas, oklahoma, and florida have gone through some hellacious down times. look at michigan and notre dame right now. the only pertinent question is whether dooley is the right man. as far as i can tell, he got the h.c. job the same way dubya got elected president, his last name. it was the best our lightly regarded, desperate so-called athletic director could do. now, all we have to do is pray that he is the acorn the blind hog called tennessee found.
 
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#247
arkyvol said:
fulmer is as relevant to the present vols situation as bill battle. that was then, this is now. all the good programs go through ocassional droughts. in the last twenty years, alabama, texas, oklahoma, and florida have gone through some hellacious down times. look at michigan and notre dame right now. the only pertinent question is whether dooley is the right man. as far as i can tell, he got the h.c. job the same way dubya got elected president, his last name. it was the best our lightly regarded, desperate so-called athletic director could do. now, all we have to do is pray that he is the acorn the blind hog called tennessee found.
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Fulmer is releveant in this current equation. These are his seniors, juniors, and redshirt sophomores on his team, that are not playing. Fulmer left the cupboard empty.
 
#248
#248
BloodRUNZOrange said:
I know im going to get murdered on here for this but i know im right and anyone who truly knows alot about football knows its right 2.

we are paying the price for not letting fulmer turn us around.

Im not going to get into stats etc and how other good football coaches have a slump... but a good coach is still a good coach.

he was a great recruiter for decades and YES when some new flashy coaches came in they started to give him trouble. fulmer was the longest serving coach in the sec and he was the old girl at the dance... but make no mistake fulmer would have been able to weather the storm and be beating urban myer and mark richt for recruits bc they would not be the new exciting coaches...

I think the same could be said about whats going on at gerogia right now...

mark richt is a great coach and that doesint change over night. coaches have slumps... not every coach at every school can win a national championship every year.

bear bryant had stints where people thought he was done...

ill be the first to say that maybe fulmer got to comfortable and alot of times that happens to people when they are at a place for so long...

but he deserved to go out on his own and at least have a chance to turn it around...

so whatever football gods are out there they are cursing us for turning on our own and throwing him out like garbage and hiring kiffin ; young brash sorry excuse for a football coach...what comes around..and boy is it deff coming around on us now..

i know there are going to be alot of BS from people here who like to blame fulmer for when it rains outside..but if there is anyone out there that deep down feels the same way be heard brothers!:rock:
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I get hammered everytime I support Fulmer on here but you are right. I support Dooley 100% but Fulmer Would have gotten us back on track. Everybody got Sabanized. Look what Meyer is doing without Zook's players.
 
#250
#250
KappinSpaulding said:
Fulmer had Michigan's offensive staff ready to come to TN but the powers wouldn't pay for them. Michigan was good at that time and Cutt's staff made more money......that is what I heard from a guy where my boat is that knows Johnny Majors.
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Makes plenty of sense. I'm sure that Michigan OC was making a lot more money as an assistant OL coach.
 
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