We are good. I am excited about this season!

[chargervol]

Dobbs isn't our best passer? What??

Yes. SJT pointed out that some of our incoming qbs may be better at pure passing and I agreed.
Why?

 

[sjt18]

Bajakian imo was too smart for his own good.
- Having faith in Peterman at any point in time

I can virtually guarantee that Jones had the final say on who started and played at QB.

- running a read option so often with qb that wont run (wasted plays= momentum killers)

The coaches said often that many plays that look read option have no "read" to them. IOW's, they didn't want Worley hurt so they took the run option away from him.

- We don't have quick twitch wr's on the perimeter save Alton Howard.

Says you? That's pert' near heresy... almost all of those WR's were hand picked by Jones. Pig is a notable exception.

So why are you throwing so many Wr pop passes? He made the mistake of setting up our pass through the read option TOO often. That play action only slowed Worely's play progression down. When in reality it is designed to make the defense hesitate. But that ddn't happen, because they knew Worley wasn't a run threat, and they knew our line was weak and could only block for 2-3 seconds. Just do 3 step drop a deliver a pass that our bigger receivers can fight for!!

You never count on more than 3 seconds in the pocket.

Bajakian showed promise... he just sometimes couldn't accept what he had to work with. He never really adapted to anything. It's like he had a script and he never deviated from it no matter how obvious it was that the script was worthless. He does seem like a decent QB developer... Dobbs has become a better passer, and Worely improved as a QB. Play calling many times handicapped all of that, though.

Debord should be better. But... pretty much every offensive coordinator was better than B-Jake in the conference.

I don't know what you said or posted last season or before... but I am always amused when people become highly critical of ex-coaches. A little too convenient for my taste to only find faults after a guy can have no impact on future performance.

 

[Philsosophy]

We're looking at a lock-in for an 8 win season, the big 4 (OU, Dawgs, Bama, Arkansas) are the big question marks. I take two approaches to this season:
Optimistic Vol Fan: 11-2, Losses to Bama, and Auburn in ATL
Realistic Vol Fan: 9-3, losses to OU, Bama, and Georgia. No SEC title appearance.

Either way, we're on the rise and 2016 will be even better.

 

[Kristy*]

We're looking at a lock-in for an 8 win season, the big 4 (OU, Dawgs, Bama, Arkansas) are the big question marks. I take two approaches to this season:
Optimistic Vol Fan: 11-2, Losses to Bama, and Auburn in ATL
Realistic Vol Fan: 9-3, losses to OU, Bama, and Georgia. No SEC title appearance.

Either way, we're on the rise and 2016 will be even better.

Agree. We won't win every game this year. But we could. And at the very least, we should be competitive in every game. That makes this season (and preseason) exciting.

 

[KBVol]

Yes. SJT pointed out that some of our incoming qbs may be better at pure passing and I agreed.
Why?

Ok, "may" being the operative word. Just thought your post was a more definitive, matter of fact statement that Dobbs was not our best passer....apologies if I misread it.

I suspect Dormady may be a better pure passer than Dobbs, but all I've seen is a 5-12 performance in an intrasquad game. Certainly doesn't tell us everything either way, but he wasn't as good/better there IMO.

Jennings?....not a chance. Haven't seen Jones throw a "collegiate" pass yet. Can't imagine that Ashford, Smith or Jancek throw it better either.

What I have seen is Dobbs complete 63% of his passes last year, including making several excellent throws into tight windows vs Alabama, SCar, Ky, Mizzou and Iowa. He can certainly improve and by most all accounts he has through the spring and summer. I guess what I'm saying is I believe Dobbs is our best passing (and running) QB until I see evidence that he's not.

 

[HomeGrownUTVOL]

I understand, there were a couple of articles posted in threads over the past month. I can't remember, but think bleacher report, and Saturday down south. I got carried away saying most, but I still believe they'll win 9 games. I do apologize, even if I could find the stories I don't know how to share them. Plus, I may have the wrong source, but saw it here and Facebook.

There has been a few analyst on Finebaum say they think Dobbs is the best but I haven't seen any of the big names place him 1st. Imo I

think he will be #1 by the end of the year and I think that's what matters most!



GO VOLS!!!!

 

[chargervol]

Ok, "may" being the operative word. Just thought your post was a more definitive, matter of fact statement that Dobbs was not our best passer....apologies if I misread it.

I suspect Dormady may be a better pure passer than Dobbs, but all I've seen is a 5-12 performance in an intrasquad game. Certainly doesn't tell us everything either way, but he wasn't as good/better there IMO.

Jennings?....not a chance. Haven't seen Jones throw a "collegiate" pass yet. Can't imagine that Ashford, Smith or Jancek throw it better either.

What I have seen is Dobbs complete 63% of his passes last year, including making several excellent throws into tight windows vs Alabama, SCar, Ky, Mizzou and Iowa. He can certainly improve and by most all accounts he has through the spring and summer. I guess what I'm saying is I believe Dobbs is our best passing (and running) QB until I see evidence that he's not.

My post said I agree. Sjt said "may". Just not sure how you got to my post without having read his. But no problem.

63 % is good, we are recruiting/signing guys that we are hoping can do even better. That's why we're recruiting them. I'm all for showing Dobbs love but hope we are always trying to improve. If not, we have bigger issues.

 

[KBVol]

My post said I agree. Sjt said "may". Just not sure how you got to my post without having read his. But no problem.

63 % is good, we are recruiting/signing guys that we are hoping can do even better. That's why we're recruiting them. I'm all for showing Dobbs love but hope we are always trying to improve. If not, we have bigger issues.

Saw your post in response to Sjt18.....

Originally Posted by chargervol:
Yeah, I can see your point both now and earlier. Dobbs not being our best passer but still the best for the position right now.

63% was good for 3rd best in the SEC last year behind only Sims and Mason and slightly ahead of Prescott. For additional context, Peyton's career completion % at UT was 62.5, Shulers was 61.6, Clausen's was 61.0 and Tee's was 55.4. I'm not necessarily trying to "show Dobbs love", just trying to set the record straight for just how well he threw the ball last year, especially to those (not you) who have said he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He has throws that he needs to improve on, get better at, but his improvements will come off of a strong foundation IMO.

 

[chargervol]

I have always liked Dobbs. But JUST based on the little we've seen of Jones and Dormady, Dobbs could be the 3rd best passer on the team. He has arm strength and accuracy but seems to struggle with timing and leading receivers. It isn't an inability to place the ball but a failure to anticipate... it seems.

Dobbs makes up for it in every other way. There's no real competition for the starting job... but Dormady dropped some in during the spring game that looked better than Dobbs. Jones seemed to do that routinely in recruiting clips.

Saw your post in response to Sjt18.....

Originally Posted by chargervol:
Yeah, I can see your point both now and earlier. Dobbs not being our best passer but still the best for the position right now.

63% was good for 3rd best in the SEC last year behind only Sims and Mason and slightly ahead of Prescott. For additional context, Peyton's career completion % at UT was 62.5, Shulers was 61.6, Clausen's was 61.0 and Tee's was 55.4. I'm not necessarily trying to "show Dobbs love", just trying to set the record straight for just how well he threw the ball last year, especially to those (not you) who have said he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He has throws that he needs to improve on, get better at, but his improvements will come off of a strong foundation IMO.

I would almost have to repost the entire conversation but we also covered that Dobbs potential was great and if he improved this season, all bets are off. 3rd in the SEC is very good, 1st is better. Nothing wrong with hoping.

 

[KBVol]

I would almost have to repost the entire conversation but we also covered that Dobbs potential was great and if he improved this season, all bets are off. 3rd in the SEC is very good, 1st is better. Nothing wrong with hoping.

I read your post and saw "...Dobbs not being our best passer....", and thought you were saying that "Dobbs is not our best passer". Apologies if I misunderstood your thoughts. Also, I'd definitely take a 70% completion rate and number 1 among SEC qbs vs 63% and #3...of course I'd love to see Dobbs improve and I think we will. Anywho, we're on the same team, same page.

 

[chargervol]

I read your post and saw "...Dobbs not being our best passer....", and thought you were saying that "Dobbs is not our best passer". Apologies if I misunderstood your thoughts. Also, I'd definitely take a 70% completion rate and number 1 among SEC qbs vs 63% and #3...of course I'd love to see Dobbs improve and I think we will. Anywho, we're on the same team, same page.

I think we are...

Plus, Dobbs quick thinking and evasiveness will be hard to make up for when he's gone. My hopes for 1 or 2 of the guys being even more stellar in passing, isn't hoping against Dobbs. They are just gonna need major skills to 'fill his shoes'.

 

[sjt18]

What I have seen is Dobbs complete 63% of his passes last year, including making several excellent throws into tight windows vs Alabama, SCar, Ky, Mizzou and Iowa. He can certainly improve and by most all accounts he has through the spring and summer. I guess what I'm saying is I believe Dobbs is our best passing (and running) QB until I see evidence that he's not.

I mentioned a specific thing about him. He hasn't seemed to anticipate well. He doesn't lead receivers well or throw to a spot well on a consistent basis. The staff has limited his higher risk throws and likely because of it.

That said, you know I love Dobbs. You and I (I think) were on the same side arguing against the ridiculous notion that Peterman "won" the back up job last fall then didn't get a fair chance to keep the starting job.

I know it was a broken play and STILL a very good play but the pass Johnson caught downfield in the O&W game is an example of what I'm talking about. He had to stop and go down to catch the ball. If Dobbs leads him to the right and just a little deeper then it is a TD.

I always wondered if he was a bit inaccurate or lacked arm strength but we've seen enough to know that neither of those things are true. He can hit a target. If he learns to "select" the right target (spot) then UT's O will be MUCH better overall.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I heard that Dobbs was trying to red shirt last year that's why we didn't see him earlier. Also, with him knowing he is the CEO, the reps he gets in the off season , on his own, with our receivers , will be critical to the timing of throws and knowing what it takes to throw that strike down the field when on the scramble. He's got the arm to make the throws and he's got the wheels to make things happen, or give him time to find the open receiver. When the QB can run the DB's got to respect that, if they don't that is when you see the QB break off long runs while the DB is still in coverage. We gotta keep him healthy, making the right reads, and leading this team to W's. GO VOLS!