We are good. I am excited about this season!

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zqvol said:
Excited yes - controlled optimism yes - expect more than 7 wins NO - this team is still at least a year away. There are still too many freshmen and sophomores to be a contender in the SEC.
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Things that I hope we have fixed. O line, wr drops and not getting off the line of scrimmage, poor tackling on those sideline wr screens, outside lb, cornerback, ends taking the inside fake and letting the running back get too much yardage outside, playing a lot of man coverage on good running quarter backs.
 
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volomon said:
Things that I hope we have fixed. O line, wr drops and not getting off the line of scrimmage, poor tackling on those sideline wr screens, outside lb, cornerback, ends taking the inside fake and letting the running back get too much yardage outside, playing a lot of man coverage on good running quarter backs.
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that's happening too!!
 
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Kristy* said:
Timing is huge between a QB and WR. Dobbs didn't start either of his first 2 season as the #1. Having this off-season to build his confidence and get the timing down with all the WRs will be huge. I think he'll make monumental strides from the past 2 years to this.
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This
 
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chargervol said:
Yeah, I can see your point both now and earlier. Dobbs not being our best passer but still the best for the position right now.
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I'll agree with this. But I wouldn't sell Dobbs short until we see what he can do this year with all his ducks in a row. And you guys are talking about 1 pass from Dormady. It was a hell of a pass. And he has tremendous upside, but it was 1 pass. Plus, most QBs have their specialty. Worley could hit the sideline over-the-shoulder throw really well but struggled often with the post routes.
 
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McDad said:
We are not good. How can we make proclamations with zero games played? Our concerns are well known (OL, MLB, game day coaching).

I think it is very fair to say we HOPE we are good; or, with our recent recruiting we SHOULD be good; or, on paper we have the players to MAKE us good.

Don't get me wrong. I love the hype in the media and love the optimism in our fans. Keep that going! But to answer OP, no we are not good (yet :)).
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The fact that you don't know if we are good, does not mean that we are not good.

Some people are just too squeamish to step out of the crowd and say, I believe and I don't care who knows it.
 
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zqvol said:
Excited yes - controlled optimism yes - expect more than 7 wins NO - this team is still at least a year away. There are still too many freshmen and sophomores to be a contender in the SEC.
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Not an excuse anymore. There are 21 returning starters and playmakers everywhere. The 2 deep is as good as any team we've had in a long time and Dobbs is a threat at QB we haven't had in a while. The 2 backs are as good as anybodys. The receiving corp is back and healthy and I'm expecting a breakout year from North and Malone along with Pig being Pig. The defense is just down right nasty and probably the best we've had since 98.
There is no team in the SEC or country returning 21 starters of this talent plus and experienced and solid kicker, so I'm expecting 10 wins and a trip to Atlanta.

JMHO

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
The fact that you don't know if we are good, does not mean that we are not good.

Some people are just too squeamish to step out of the crowd and say, I believe and I don't care who knows it.
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And some claim we are going to beat every team on the schedule every year....eventually they will be right. He brought up a lot of good points and reasonably should not take it as a given that we are going to destroy everyone this year. Nothing wrong with a little cautious optimism.
 
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There is nothing wrong with running your mouth, taking risks,and letting it ride. 1998 we were stacked 4 NFL Running Backs, 4 NFL receivers, linemen, linebackers, DB's, but we had no proven QB.......and what happened? Don't be afraid to be the guy that says, don't over look the VOLS, because we are good and just hafta wait to show it, and if you can't see and feel the difference between this year and the past 7 years them where have you been and why were you there?
 
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McDad said:
We are not good. How can we make proclamations with zero games played? Our concerns are well known (OL, MLB, game day coaching).

I think it is very fair to say we HOPE we are good; or, with our recent recruiting we SHOULD be good; or, on paper we have the players to MAKE us good.

Don't get me wrong. I love the hype in the media and love the optimism in our fans. Keep that going! But to answer OP, no we are not good (yet :)).
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You can't say your first sentence "we are not good" either then. This team should be really good and showed they were good in the bowl game. I can't wait for the season to start and I bet this team is ready to show everyone how good they really are. Because they are better than good! GO VOLS!!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Couldn't disagree more, ZQ. Likely two-deep has 10 seniors, 11 juniors, 17 sophomores, and 8 freshmen (includes 12 positions on D, to cover both 4-3 and nickel formations). Sophomore-centric, but with a solid core of upperclassmen providing leadership.

That demographic is actually pretty standard for many teams around the nation these days. Georgia will be just about the same "age" ... Ohio State was built that way last year. FSU, as well. Oh, and OSU won a national championship with a sophomore-centric team.

So no, we're not too young to contend for the SEC East, the SEC, or even nationally in 2015. Whether we do or not, that's anyone's guess. But we might.

From this point on, every year is a potential championship year for the Vols. :good!:
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Well stated JP. No excuses moving forward. Just win and recruit the best talent that fits Butch's system. UT Foootball is back!!
 
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Kristy* said:
I'll agree with this. But I wouldn't sell Dobbs short until we see what he can do this year with all his ducks in a row. And you guys are talking about 1 pass from Dormady. It was a hell of a pass. And he has tremendous upside, but it was 1 pass. Plus, most QBs have their specialty. Worley could hit the sideline over-the-shoulder throw really well but struggled often with the post routes.
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yes, we all like Dobbs and know the potential. That part of the conversation was only about what has already been seen, not what he's capable of in the future. They all do have pros and cons. His pros outweigh his cons. Part of my point is how good of a quarterback he already it's, plus we have people coming in that are going to be able to challenge him. That is a great problem to have.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
I feel like I'm the only one more worried about the Florida game than UGA. Florida still has some talented and fast players, especially on defense. With McElwain in, you know their offense will improve. Plus, you know their fanbase will be more hyped up to play us in the Swamp. If we can beat OU and Florida, then I will be happy.
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Florida has enough talent to win the East.
If you watch Colorado State's offense last year, the QB Grayson never held the ball for over 3 seconds. In contrast to our starting QB at the beginning of the year, who would take to long reading the defense coupled with an inexperienced line spelled disaster with us.

So whoever UF's QB is, will be coached to get rid of the ball quick. If you look at the play selection from CSU offense last year. Draws, screens, slants. Quick stuff! This will negate a lot of the inexperience that the Gators will have on their O-line.

CSU's lineman were coached similar to Oregon's, with the whole cutblocking in the run game. When you have a young inexperienced offense, you keep things simple. Quick throws, and simple play selection.

Florida will be improved. Their defense will still be stout. Easily as good as ours.

But we have improved as well. If we get out of Gainesville with even a one point victory... our season will be huge!
 
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LittleVol said:
Florida has enough talent to win the East.
If you watch Colorado State's offense last year, the QB Grayson never held the ball for over 3 seconds. In contrast to our starting QB at the beginning of the year, who would take to long reading the defense coupled with an inexperienced line spelled disaster with us.

So whoever UF's QB is, will be coached to get rid of the ball quick. If you look at the play selection from CSU offense last year. Draws, screens, slants. Quick stuff! This will negate a lot of the inexperience that the Gators will have on their O-line.

CSU's lineman were coached similar to Oregon's, with the whole cutblocking in the run game. When you have a young inexperienced offense, you keep things simple. Quick throws, and simple play selection.

Florida will be improved. Their defense will still be stout. Easily as good as ours.

But we have improved as well. If we get out of Gainesville with even a one point victory... our season will be huge!
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This is the difference between a good offensive coach and a bad one. Last year Baj seemed like he wanted to play his type of offense, even if we didn't have the players to fit it. Hopefully DeBo can adapt to what we have, not what we want to do.
 
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LittleVol said:
Florida has enough talent to win the East.
If you watch Colorado State's offense last year, the QB Grayson never held the ball for over 3 seconds. In contrast to our starting QB at the beginning of the year, who would take to long reading the defense coupled with an inexperienced line spelled disaster with us.

So whoever UF's QB is, will be coached to get rid of the ball quick. If you look at the play selection from CSU offense last year. Draws, screens, slants. Quick stuff! This will negate a lot of the inexperience that the Gators will have on their O-line.

CSU's lineman were coached similar to Oregon's, with the whole cutblocking in the run game. When you have a young inexperienced offense, you keep things simple. Quick throws, and simple play selection.

Florida will be improved. Their defense will still be stout. Easily as good as ours.

But we have improved as well. If we get out of Gainesville with even a one point victory... our season will be huge!
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What you are proposing regarding UF's offense this year may be true and they could end up running it well. However, if their QB must get rid of the ball in 3 seconds, then the offense becomes a one trick pony and defenders can easily jump routes as well as physically push receivers off routes. Our DTs will dominate in The Swamp is my prediction and 3 seconds will be too long for a QB to survive in the passing game against us. Any offense that keeps the ball behind the line of scrimmage >3 seconds against team 119's D is doomed.
 
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Remy said:
What you are proposing regarding UF's offense this year may be true and they could end up running it well. However, if their QB must get rid of the ball in 3 seconds, then the offense becomes a one trick pony and defenders can easily jump routes as well as physically push receivers off routes. Our DTs will dominate in The Swamp is my prediction and 3 seconds will be too long for a QB to survive in the passing game against us. Any offense that keeps the ball behind the line of scrimmage >3 seconds against team 119's D is doomed.
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Getting rid of the football comes down to Qb mechanics and choice of WR route. You won't see a whole lot of 10 yard in routes or 10 yard comeback routes.

Slants, counter option screens, go routes. All day and it can be very effective against a team with a good pass rush. So it then comes down to defenders playing well in space. Tackling, jumping routes as you mentioned, etting off chip blocks and cut blocks.
I think we need to improve there still.

However, the level of skill player is down at UF right now. There is no Percy Harvin, Chris Rainey, Caldwell's, or Green's running around in Gainesville on offense. All their upper level talents are on defense. Guys like Sutton, Maybin, Gaulden, Randolph, Moseley and even Barnett can make plays in space on these guys.

Like somebody else mentioned though, UF is not very deep. They will need some luck to win the east... and they still $hit their pants against Mizzou for some reason.

We are the better team, but if UF makes the adjustments I think they are making, then they will be tough for us to beat. Jalen Hurd needs to have running room, and I believe Dobbs will create that.

21-20 Vols imo
 
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08Vol said:
This is the difference between a good offensive coach and a bad one. Last year Baj seemed like he wanted to play his type of offense, even if we didn't have the players to fit it. Hopefully DeBo can adapt to what we have, not what we want to do.
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Bajakian imo was too smart for his own good.
- Having faith in Peterman at any point in time
- running a read option so often with qb that wont run (wasted plays= momentum killers)
- We don't have quick twitch wr's on the perimeter save Alton Howard. So why are you throwing so many Wr pop passes? He made the mistake of setting up our pass through the read option TOO often. That play action only slowed Worely's play progression down. When in reality it is designed to make the defense hesitate. But that ddn't happen, because they knew Worley wasn't a run threat, and they knew our line was weak and could only block for 2-3 seconds. Just do 3 step drop a deliver a pass that our bigger receivers can fight for!!

Bajakian showed promise... he just sometimes couldn't accept what he had to work with. He never really adapted to anything. It's like he had a script and he never deviated from it no matter how obvious it was that the script was worthless. He does seem like a decent QB developer... Dobbs has become a better passer, and Worely improved as a QB. Play calling many times handicapped all of that, though.

Debord should be better. But... pretty much every offensive coordinator was better than B-Jake in the conference.
 
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LittleVol said:
Florida has enough talent to win the East.
If you watch Colorado State's offense last year, the QB Grayson never held the ball for over 3 seconds. In contrast to our starting QB at the beginning of the year, who would take to long reading the defense coupled with an inexperienced line spelled disaster with us.

So whoever UF's QB is, will be coached to get rid of the ball quick. If you look at the play selection from CSU offense last year. Draws, screens, slants. Quick stuff! This will negate a lot of the inexperience that the Gators will have on their O-line.

CSU's lineman were coached similar to Oregon's, with the whole cutblocking in the run game. When you have a young inexperienced offense, you keep things simple. Quick throws, and simple play selection.

Florida will be improved. Their defense will still be stout. Easily as good as ours.

But we have improved as well. If we get out of Gainesville with even a one point victory... our season will be huge!
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In all likelihood, UF does not have the depth of talent to win the East. If experience was ever a reason/excuse for Jones not winning at UT then McElwain's ceiling this year should be 3rd in the East.
 
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McDad said:
We are not good. How can we make proclamations with zero games played? Our concerns are well known (OL, MLB, game day coaching).

I think it is very fair to say we HOPE we are good; or, with our recent recruiting we SHOULD be good; or, on paper we have the players to MAKE us good.

Don't get me wrong. I love the hype in the media and love the optimism in our fans. Keep that going! But to answer OP, no we are not good (yet :)).
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I base my good statement optimistically permeating off late play last season.
 
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