Watching the "Big Orange Nation" and Team Implode

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Dbake005 said:
Which SEC WRs are these?

And I expected huge things from Dallas. But I don't think he or Arnett is at the level, yet, to go out and straight up beat coverage constantly. Especially without Bray slingin it.
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My point was WITH Bray against UF and UGA.

Bumphis and Jeffrey are two that pop to my mind. Hunter and Rogers last year for UT were more productive than either of these guys and they had Seniors starting over them (so no 1st team reps in fall camp).
 
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Vincent Dallas, a true freshman... with more 'slot' size than 'wideout' size... probably wasn't ready?

I dunno what the point is with the Dallas/Arnett criticisms. Not being a jerk saying that, I'm just confused... enjoying the discussion.

And yeah, there are a few things i'd LOVE to see done that I think could work brilliantly. I'll be more flustered if I don't start seeing them.
 
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Dbake005 said:
Vincent Dallas, a true freshman... with more 'slot' size than 'wideout' size... probably wasn't ready?

I dunno what the point is with the Dallas/Arnett criticisms. Not being a jerk saying that, I'm just confused... enjoying the discussion.

And yeah, there are a few things i'd LOVE to see done that I think could work brilliantly. I'll be more flustered if I don't start seeing them.
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I am saying that Chaney knew the depth chart since January and had no ability to coordinate this offense without Justin Hunter (and even when he was still healthy, the team couldn't run the ball...no surprise from Mr Purdue). Losing Bray was the death knell, but Chaney could still have a package of 20-30 plays that are more condensed and would lighten the load on the less talented (Simms) and more inexperienced (Worley) QBs.
 
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Time for a reality check for the Vol Nation...

First, you guys just ain't that good. Bottom of the SEC East and will more than likely stay there for a while.

Before yall explode on me hear me out.

Between Fulmer and Lane Freaking Kiffin, yall lost momentum in the SEC recruiting battle. That's not something that can be overcome in one or two years. Case in point, when Spurrier came to South Carolina everyone thought within one or two years we would be where we are at now -- 7 years later. It takes time and by the way, the top recruits yall ain't getting are going to South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and so on. The game don't stop while yall try to rebuild. These kids don't know about the Vols of yesteryear, only now, and what they see is a team that can't compete. The result is they go elsewhere. It's a vicious cycle that's hard to get out of.

My next point. You guys knew when Spurrier was hired at SC that this day was coming. He owned Tennessee at Florida and unfortunately for yall, it looks like he will continue for the foreseeable future to own yall.

Respect. We thumped yall for two years running. Get used to it and give us some respect. When is the last time yall beat SC, FLA, and GA in the same year. Not to even mention the cupcake out of conference schedule yall play (Buffalo and Montana, geesh). Its been awhile.

The power has shifted. SC and GA will be the dominate teams in the East for a while. I know you folks keep saying "But we are a young team and when these Sophomores are Seniors we will be great." Well here's a bit of insight, ours will be too. Again, once you are down, it's hard to get back up.

I know this will pi$$ a lot of you off but it's the truth. It is what it is. You guys will get better, but it will take time. In the mean time, good luck to the Vols and don't think yall are gonna come to our House next year and not take another spanking.

GO COCKS!!!!
 
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And, again... he had those plays against South Carolina. Three fairly certain touchdowns worth of them..... Which would have won the football game.

Keep in mind, since Bray went down, he's trying to get things going against maybe the three best defenses in the nation. Certainly 2 best, and another in the top... 5? 10?

No coordinator is going out there and lighting it up in that spot.
 
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Bluegrass Cock said:
Time for a reality check for the Vol Nation...

First, you guys just ain't that good. Bottom of the SEC East and will more than likely stay there for a while.

Before yall explode on me hear me out.

Between Fulmer and Lane Freaking Kiffin, yall lost momentum in the SEC recruiting battle. That's not something that can be overcome in one or two years.
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Funny, because we've finished ahead of YOU in recruiting in... 2010. 2011. and we will finish ahead in 2012. And that is with two all-world in state players falling into your lap.

GTFO. :hi:
 
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Dbake005 said:
And, again... he had those plays against South Carolina. Three fairly certain touchdowns worth of them..... Which would have won the football game.

Keep in mind, since Bray went down, he's trying to get things going against maybe the three best defenses in the nation. Certainly 2 best, and another in the top... 5? 10?

No coordinator is going out there and lighting it up in that spot.
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Again we're talking about different things. I am talking about trends and specifics, you're talking about could've/should've/would've situations.
 
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I'm not happy about the O Line play either. I realize they're young, and Poole isn't all world, and teams aren't that scared of our pass attack right now... but I fully agree that it is an issue. The O line RUN blocking is a gigantic issue. Just plain is. I don't think that's totally on Chaney. The pass protection is excellent.

I think we're both making good points, just not totally on the same page. So sum up what exactly you mean, if you can. Go Vols.
 
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Dbake005 said:
I'm not happy about the O Line play either. I realize they're young, and Poole isn't all world, and teams aren't that scared of our pass attack right now... but I fully agree that it is an issue. The O line RUN blocking is a gigantic issue. Just plain is. I don't think that's totally on Chaney. The pass protection is excellent.

I think we're both making good points, just not totally on the same page. So sum up what exactly you mean, if you can. Go Vols.
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Chaney has NEVER had an offense where the running game was successful. His Purdue teams passed the ball 50+ times a game. And he has instituted much of Purdue scheme here, in the SEC, where it hasn't worked too great. The running game struggles are 100% on him. As the OC, he decides the blocking scheme he wants to use for his offensive attack and then an OL coach is hired to implement it. Hiestand deserves blame as well, but Chaney is not blameless because it ultimately falls to him.

His in-game decisions have been atrocious before and after Bray's injury. His gameplanning is some of the worst I've ever seen (Toss sweep against the faster 3-4 defense of UGA...and repeatedly?).

He has never proven anything at this level and his lack of development of young players who are NOT freaks of nature (Bray/Hunter) tells me he is not the right guy for the SEC. And if Dooley ties his chain to Chaney's ball, Dooley's going to pay the price.
 
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I would be interested to see who we got instead of Chaney, then.
 
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I mean, I like a lot of what I see in Chaney. I really, really do.

But I also absolutely see what you're saying.

Couple of my wishes (easy to say in this thread, where logical discussion, not craziness, is occuring):
-Bubble screens to Devrin and Neal. May not work against Bama/LSU (not much will), but those guys have huge ability.
-Don't be afraid to do cute, annoying short passes. This might also be a product of playing 3 of the best defenses in the nation, who are great at the corner spot... but Worley, who seemed to look downfield a lot, needed a couple quick outs or swing passes that could have hopefully moved the chains.

Granted, one huge moment was when Chaney gave Worley the chance to check for a quick out at the goal line... and Worley threw it into the jaw of an SC defender after the Waggner interception.

Stuff i'd like to see, but at the same time, I see why it didn't just miraculously happen.
 
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Dbake005 said:
I mean, I like a lot of what I see in Chaney. I really, really do.

But I also absolutely see what you're saying.

Couple of my wishes (easy to say in this thread, where logical discussion, not craziness, is occuring):
-Bubble screens to Devrin and Neal. May not work against Bama/LSU (not much will), but those guys have huge ability.
-Don't be afraid to do cute, annoying short passes. This might also be a product of playing 3 of the best defenses in the nation, who are great at the corner spot... but Worley, who seemed to look downfield a lot, needed a couple quick outs or swing passes that could have hopefully moved the chains.

Granted, one huge moment was when Chaney gave Worley the chance to check for a quick out at the goal line... and Worley threw it into the jaw of an SC defender after the Waggner interception.

Stuff i'd like to see, but at the same time, I see why it didn't just miraculously happen.
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I'd just like more pro-style stuff. A few of the play action "Kiffin" plays that were so successful for Crompton. Why'd Chaney seemingly bail those? Because he's an air-it-out Purdue guy I guess.

Sad.
 
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Dbake005 said:
I mean, I like a lot of what I see in Chaney. I really, really do.

But I also absolutely see what you're saying.

Couple of my wishes (easy to say in this thread, where logical discussion, not craziness, is occuring):
-Bubble screens to Devrin and Neal. May not work against Bama/LSU (not much will), but those guys have huge ability.
-Don't be afraid to do cute, annoying short passes. This might also be a product of playing 3 of the best defenses in the nation, who are great at the corner spot... but Worley, who seemed to look downfield a lot, needed a couple quick outs or swing passes that could have hopefully moved the chains.

Granted, one huge moment was when Chaney gave Worley the chance to check for a quick out at the goal line... and Worley threw it into the jaw of an SC defender after the Waggner interception.

Stuff i'd like to see, but at the same time, I see why it didn't just miraculously happen.
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Really need to get him more touches, he's got like a 6 ypt average on offense IIRC. I really thought that some quick passes/screens to him (and Neal) would be implemented but it wasn't so. I agree with you 100%.
 
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Outdors21 said:
I'd just like more pro-style stuff. A few of the play action "Kiffin" plays that were so successful for Crompton. Why'd Chaney seemingly bail those? Because he's an air-it-out Purdue guy I guess.

Sad.
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To be fair, play-action works better with at least a slight threat in the run-game. We don't really have that, which you've already discussed.
 
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VOLtownUSA said:
To be fair, play-action works better with at least a slight threat in the run-game. We don't really have that, which you've already discussed.
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It is fair, for sure. But, for an example, against LSU and Bama...we ran the ball pretty well. And Chaney still had the Bray playbook in there for passing...how'd that go with Simms? Give him throws he can handle...like Kiffin did with Crompton.
 
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VOLtownUSA said:
Really need to get him more touches, he's got like a 6 ypt average on offense IIRC. I really thought that some quick passes/screens to him (and Neal) would be implemented but it wasn't so. I agree with you 100%.
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Well, Dooley kind of alluded to this in the presser today. Said he knows and firmly believes Devrin needs more touches, but it seemed like he was still a little iffy after the hit against Bama last week.

His basic quote was "It's great to have him involved more and more, but then one huge hit, and there goes out great return game."

Which is a decent point. This is just one more thing that will be helped by depth and having more bodies.

He and Neal can be huge factors, if utilized correctly.

As far as play-action goes, the one time it was used pretty effectively was for 6 points... right through Da'Rick's hands, unfortunately.

Worley had a week of 1st team reps. He'll pick it up some.
 
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First of all, Im a dooley guy. The fact is, if he starts Simms we probably win that game. I just dont get some of the things this staff has done.
 
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I'm all for getting rid of Joseph. And Chaney. We need an OC who can come in and work with what we have. Chaney isn't used to having a mediocre quarterback and it shows in this playcalling that he is incapable of working at his talent's level.
 
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There really isn't an O Coordinator out there who can just magically generate offense against 3 of the best defenses in the nation without their two biggest weapons on a young, inexperienced team.
 
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Carlitovol said:
....Hiestand has to go.. That, or he needs to be forced to change his philosophy/scheme and do something entirely different. I just don't see how we're going to be able to magically flip a switch and be that much improved on the ground next year..
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the OL blocking schemes are decided upon by the HC and/or the OC who determine the type of offense we run, right? If this is so, we may owe Harry an apology because it's not his philosophy/scheme to change... He still may be overated but we may be wrong in assuming it's 'his' scheme...
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Dbake005 said:
Funny, because we've finished ahead of YOU in recruiting in... 2010. 2011. and we will finish ahead in 2012. And that is with two all-world in state players falling into your lap.

GTFO. :hi:
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Yea well how's that working out for ya????

*****'s don't equal wins.
 
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m1al said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the OL blocking schemes are decided upon by the HC and/or the OC who determine the type of offense we run, right? If this is so, we may owe Harry an apology because it's not his philosophy/scheme to change... He still may be overated but we may be wrong in assuming it's 'his' scheme...
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Yes, I stated this above. Chaney decides on the blocking schemes that best fit his offensive system and then an OL is hired to implement them.

That being said, Heistand was awful in Chicago for the Bears and there appears to be regression this year. But Chaney is far from blameless.
 
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Outdors21 said:
Chaney has NEVER had an offense where the running game was successful. His Purdue teams passed the ball 50+ times a game. And he has instituted much of Purdue scheme here, in the SEC, where it hasn't worked too great. The running game struggles are 100% on him. As the OC, he decides the blocking scheme he wants to use for his offensive attack and then an OL coach is hired to implement it. Hiestand deserves blame as well, but Chaney is not blameless because it ultimately falls to him.

His in-game decisions have been atrocious before and after Bray's injury. His gameplanning is some of the worst I've ever seen (Toss sweep against the faster 3-4 defense of UGA...and repeatedly?).

He has never proven anything at this level and his lack of development of young players who are NOT freaks of nature (Bray/Hunter) tells me he is not the right guy for the SEC. And if Dooley ties his chain to Chaney's ball, Dooley's going to pay the price.
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The idea that the Brees offense didn't include a running game is a myth.

Here's an excerpt from a article covering the 2000 game between Indiana and the Boilermakers.
Rose Bowl bound
Purdue earned its first trip to Pasadena since the 1966 season when it beat Indiana with ease. Drew Brees was his usual efficient self -- 20-of-29 passes for 216 yards, plus 10 carries for 85 yards -- and Montrell Lowe took it right at a soft Hoosier defense, running for 208 yards and four touchdowns.

When's the last time we had a back run for 200 yards.

If Chaney had a running game, he'd use it. That's on Harry H.
 
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