Watching Clemson is so Aggravating

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State of the Vols said:
Are the Vols "frauds" for losing almost as badly to Vandy? Would you have counseled ND to turn down the bowl invite so they don't offend great thinkers like you? Serious questions - just trying to get a taste of what makes a great intellectual mind like yours tick. Thanks for any advice you can provide.
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Are you Catholic? Trying to understand your perspective.
 
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Seeing Trevor Lawrence throw the ball like a young Manning, does give one thought......He does look very good.
Not sure anyone knows why he lost interest in the Vols...There is lots of speculations though.

In any event, looks like a fun game for the championship....again.
 
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After what happened in both playoff games yesterday, I fully expect the NCAA to begin taking up scholarship reductions as a way to throttle the concentration of talent. If there isn't some sense of parity, college football will not thrive.
 
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Glad the kids went elsewhere. The UT wasted a lot of talent and the NFL drafts echoed this. We just didn't have the program to prep the kids for the next level. Maybe now that will change with just Pruitt It! NikeOriginal.jpg
 
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I hope Clemson beats Bama I hate Bama. Clemson was trash for so long now they are like team 1b or 1a it’s them or Bama every time because they have a good coach.
 
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I almost hate them as bad as i hate Bama. They're cherry picking our state every year. Can't stand them.
 
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johnsonbrewer said:
Perennially in the playoffs? This is their first time in. Sounds like you have an axe to grind concerning ND. But since this is a Clemson thread, kudos ttu o them for playing better when it counted.
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Okay then let me say it a different way. What ND has done by remaining independent is they have put themselves in a cushy position to make their road to the playoffs easier than other teams. They don’t have to play a grueling conference schedule and they don’t have to play a conference championship game. They can cherry pick their opponents and while yes they DO play some good programs on their schedule, how many of those tough games do they have to play back to back? They are the very definition of a paper tiger program who immediately gets exposed once they have to play a real opponent and Clemson isn’t the only team that would’ve done that. There are several teams that didn’t get into the playoffs that would’ve destroyed Notre Dame. The whole point of the playoffs is to get the 4 best teams in the country to play each other. Can you honestly with a straight face tell me that ND was one of the 4 best teams in the country?

Like I said before, the NCAA needs to come down on them and tell them to join a damn conference or risk getting snubbed for the playoffs. But of course they’re not going to do that because they are the “darlings” of college football who play by a different set of rules. They belong in the Big 10, and Nebraska belongs back in the Big 12.
 
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Cartervol said:
I almost hate them as bad as i hate Bama. They're cherry picking our state every year. Can't stand them.
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UGA having a lot of success here as well. Doug Matthews was just talking about how Kirby and CJP run the same defensive scheme and UGA took three DL out of TN.
 
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orangemadam said:
You people really need to forget about Butch. Too much obsession on VN. Let it go. Live in the future, not the past.
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Not until we are good again.

I was anti-Dooley from the very beginning (Showergate) but I don't wish him to fail now. Butch, however, I really don't want to see him succeed anywhere else. I can't put my finger on exactly why I have a much more negative persuasion towards Botch. Dooley bumbled his way through. But I truly believe now Botch is just a greasy con man straight-up. Sucks not caring one stitch about the College Football post-season.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
3 positive tests from random testing = widespread problem.
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They know what they are doing. It’s on the banned list but obscure and rare. Cycle on and cycle off and they probably get by the tests during the season. They may have miscalculated the dosages. I guarantee you they would possibly have more positives if they tested the entire team. When Dabo said it could have been hair products or creams, I rolled my eyes.
 
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orangemadam said:
You people really need to forget about Butch. Too much obsession on VN. Let it go. Live in the future, not the past.
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Nice..... but are you new to the site? Obsession is the only thing some on here know. More dead horses are beaten here than anywhere else on the planet.
 
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rickyyrs said:
Bama Dave Hart hired Butch. Enough said. But Hart is also the man who got rid of the Lady Vols logo. Moves like this hiring is the reason we are in the bad shape we are in. Least now we got things under control with Fulmer. We got the right football coach. Just have to give him time. Look at Saban when he first got to Bama. Their fans wanted him fired the first couple years. Until he got HIS recruits in there.
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Umm he went undefeated and won a natty his second season. Their fan base was not wanting him to be fired.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
After what happened in both playoff games yesterday, I fully expect the NCAA to begin taking up scholarship reductions as a way to throttle the concentration of talent. If there isn't some sense of parity, college football will not thrive.
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This needs to happen, would like to see reductions down to around 70 per team. Only way to spread talent around a little more.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Clemson has in some ways assumed our identity. The recruiting footprint and style of play. Nasty defense and speed everywhere on offense. I think was irritates me is the “aw shucks” schtick of Dabo. I saw Herbsqueak’s twins are walking on at Clemson because the “family atmosphere” is so special. Meanwhile Dabo and his players are cutthroat negative recruiters. Nearly every committed player that visits Clemson flips.

I hate Alabama but part of me would rather Saban win then this bunch.
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In terms of dislike for other football programs, Clemson has zipped right on by Bama for me. Clemson has now entered that special realm of hate occupied by Notre Dame. If you are one of the younger fans, you'll probably never fully understand why most of us older fans really detest ND and the big10 and what it means to add Clemson in with them.
 
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99gator said:
I am going to be the contrarian here.

Notre Dame belonged in the playoff. Oklahoma belongs in the playoff. Ohio State has a case. Georgia has no case.

I see many arguments about having "the best". No one knows that until you go play. And for every team you take out, who are you going to put in?

Ohio State? Ok. Anyone see the Purdue-Auburn bowl game? Now, realize that Ohio State was boatraced by that Purdue team?

Georgia? You're going to put a 2 loss team ahead of conference champions with 1 loss and an undefeated?

UCF? So, Notre Dame with a bad schedule doesn't deserve to get in, but a UCF with a brutal schedule does?

I'm just playing devil's advocate with all of this because I think we are overlooking something a little more obvious (IMO). It's not what's wrong with Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc., it's that Clemson and Alabama are on a different level than anyone else.
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You are (like many people) confusing "best" with number of wins. The number of wins is only significant when it is against meaningful competition. Sure ND played a couple of ranked teams like MI when MI was highly rated, but look at the reality after the year played out. If all teams played a "standardized" opponent every game, then wins would definitely be an indicator of greatness, but that's not the case.
 
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VolnTEARS? said:
And Tennessee Fulmer hired Bama Pruitt. I have no ax to grind against Coach Pruitt and hope he does well but why in the hell aren’t any “Tennessee” people being hired by Tennessee? Are only non-Tennessee SEC pedigrees allowed to be hired at Tennessee?

When is a Tennessee man gonna be hired? As discusssd ad nauseum why has Tee Martin never landed at Tennessee? Peyton is great but it was Tee who won the Vols a national championship. He should be at his alma mater in some capacity. Unless he is the one turning it down. And in that regard he would have to have a very defendable reason for doing so.
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BS. Why did Tee let his kin grow up to be a damn Clemson player?
 
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IMO, it’s probably better for our recruiting for Bama to keep beating UGA and Clemson. We need to be the next up and comers that attract recruits. We’ve apparently gained more appeal than Michigan, OSU just lost their golden boy, UGA apparently has Mark Richt 2.0... of Bama beats Clemson this year, Clemson looks like just another good team that’s just not good enough. A good OC hire, couple more years of good recruits and paying our coaches what they’re owed and it’ll be our turn to try to topple Bama. And we’ll get up to 2 chances a year to make it happen.
 
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When Dabo lost his job at Bama,
He went into real estate until Clemson picked him up. I wonder if he studied the relocation patterns of people moving to and within the Southeast.

Dabo seems to do a better job recruiting TN than Pruitt does ☹️ .
 
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AM64 said:
BS. Why did Tee let his kin grow up to be a damn Clemson player?
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It has been said UT crapped all over Tee. I has been said Tee had to push to get his statue and several other examples of his success while at UT. Do you see his name in Neyland? He is the only QB in the past 68 years that has lead his team to a NC. I don't condone him letting his son (legacy) go to Clemson. But, that is the young man's choice. Lots of legacy players go to other schools. We have Cornelius Bennet's son on the roster currently.

On another note, I think he is a respected recruiter. But, he isn't a known to have a great offensive mind. Those that want him here as OC or HC are delusional in my opinion. Just because he won a NC here with probably the BEST D UT HAS EVER HAD (aka Big Al Wilson and company) doesn't make him qualified or a lock for a coaching position here. I think UT did burn some bridges with the man. Who knows what really happened. Like most posts on here, it is 99% speculation.
 
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I heard a very interesting comment on Tony Basilio by a fan. Kiffin could have a huge part in some players leaving the state of TN or legacy players going to Clemson. It has been stated multiple times that Taj Boyd was told he wouldn't fit Kiffin's system and told to look elsewhere. So, Taj Boyd went to Clemson. Look at how that turned out for Clemson and UT. We had Crompton, Bray, and Worley at the helm instead of a stud in Boyd! Bray was good. But, I think most of us will agree that Boyd would have done better. That didn't appear to turn out well for UT. My point is Kiffin should have allowed Boyd to come and recruited Bray as well to let the best man win the job. It wasn't like UT had a stud QB on the roster at that time!!!

I have repeatedly said. I don't get all the Kiffin love here. I don't even think he is an elite OC. Look at what happend to the FAU offense when Briles left. FAU went from 11-3 to 5-7. Teams with new HCs are suppose to make the most improvement between year 1 and year 2. What does that say about Kiffin?
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
I heard a very interesting comment on Tony Basilio by a fan. Kiffin could have a huge part in some players leaving the state of TN or legacy players going to Clemson. It has been stated multiple times that Taj Boyd was told he wouldn't fit Kiffin's system and told to look elsewhere. So, Taj Boyd went to Clemson. Look at how that turned out for Clemson and UT? We had Crompton and Worley at the helm instead of a stud in Boyd! That didn't turn out well for UT.

I have repeatedly said. I don't get all the Kiffin love here. I don't even think he is an elite OC. Look at what happend to the FAU offense when Briles left. FAU went from 11-3 to 5-7. Teams with new HCs are suppose to make the most improvement between year 1 and year 2. What does that say about Kiffin?
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Agree with you on that; Taj Boyd played a big part in putting Clemson back on the map.

I've always thought that many teams play better as a team when they don't have a star to collect all the glory, and to me Tee wasn't Manning, so the team became more a team rather than a team gathered around a central figure. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to look at that, though. As far as Tee and Tennessee, I thought his wife and the bright lights of LA knocked him out, and he couldn't be enticed back to Tennessee ... his choice not ours. In any case, I think Tee is a far less proven commodity than Pruitt; and maybe we'll see the proof one way or another if he gets the Miami OC job.
 
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