watched Florida vs Uab and these are my thoughts on our chances

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1world1love said:
UT could beat FLA, UGA, and USC and still not win the east if we lose to Alabama, LSU, and Arky.

3 conference losses are 3 conference losses no matter how we fair in the east. Our west schedule is brutal.
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Considering we haven't played an SEC game yet, it's really way to early to talk about this. But, I don't ever remember a team going undefeated in its own division and not making the SECCG (I'm assuming that we wouldn't lose to UK or Vandy in that scenario). The tiebreakers are huge and the first 3 tiebreakers have to do with record in the division.
 
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zjcvols said:
Just because he is rattled doesn't mean he is intimidated.

It's his first game outside the state of Tennessee. It's his first game against a quality defense. It's his first game against a pretty decent team. They are a lot of "firsts" there. And it's easy to have confidence playing in the state of Tennessee where it's all orange. Let's see what happens when it's 3 & 12 and they are down seven, at our own 15 and Muschamp has seven in the box.
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Bray reminds me of Casey Clausen. Doesn't seem to get rattled and is supremely confident. Much better mental mindset than Ainge, Crompton... and honestly, I think Bray will have a better mindset heading into the swamp than Peyton did.

I was worried about Bray's decision making heading into the season. I still have a little worry but I feel a heck of a lot better than I did 3 weeks ago. I agree this will be a huge test but I think he will be fine.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Yeah I know Florida was vanilla is this game but I'm not impressed at all by their defense. That great front seven was pushed around at times and their secondary should provide a good launching pad for us. I can see Hunter and Rogers going crazy. They can't cover well in man or zone. UAB moved the ball but were making some dumb plays to negate their big plays.

On offense: Brantley still is struggling throwing the ball. Demps and Rainey(this guy in particular) are their playmakers. As long as we can get Justin Coleman up to speed we can really give them problems. A lot of their plays they made were from missed tackles nothing special. UAB was getting very good push up the middle until they got tired.

I feel a bit more confident now after watching them. I know they will come out with their full playbook but I feel good about our personel matchups. I don't think they can keep up in a shootout.
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I watched the majority of that game and I have to disagree. Yes UAB made some plays, but Florida's defense is still better than ours. They need to get better on offense, but by no means would I call the Florida defense terrible. Stastically they have the #1 scoring defense in the country and one of the best total defenses in the country. (All be it against sub-par opponents.) I do think you are right that we will win if it is a shootout.
 
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jhcrane14 said:
I watched the majority of that game and I have to disagree. Yes UAB made some plays, but Florida's defense is still better than ours. They need to get better on offense, but by no means would I call the Florida defense terrible. Stastically they have the #1 scoring defense in the country and one of the best total defenses in the country. (All be it against sub-par opponents.) I do think you are right that we will win if it is a shootout.
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The plays UAB got would be big plays for us. I know they'll play different coverages against us but they didn't look good in man coverage at all.
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jlovevols said:
Considering we haven't played an SEC game yet, it's really way to early to talk about this. But, I don't ever remember a team going undefeated in its own division and not making the SECCG (I'm assuming that we wouldn't lose to UK or Vandy in that scenario). The tiebreakers are huge and the first 3 tiebreakers have to do with record in the division.
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Yes, but the other team/s would need to have 3 losses as well, and we are the only ones that play all 3 of UA, LSU, and Ark.

I am certainly not suggesting that it would happen, just that our west schedule is so difficult that we could clean up the east and still not win it. It would be crazy, but not out of the realm of possibilities.

Of course, if we were undefeated in the east, it would be hard to complain since that would mean that we were 9 and 3 (albeit with 3 conferences losses).
 
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Coastypop said:
Florida is loaded with speed and talent.... If we win at Gainesville... we can win the East for sure
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We play LSU, Alabama and Arkansas from the west. Don't see us winning the east division this year. Would be nice to get to 8-9 wins.

Sorry; looks like this was already covered.
 
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First, let me preface this post with I do not believe Tennessee's defense is great or even good at this point in the season. However, the fact that people insist that Tennessee's defense is horrible is a little over the top. Look back at the first two games, Tennessee's defense gave up two big plays (one on a busted coverage and the other on a missed tackle which should have been about a three yard gain). The big pass play against Montana was about 80 yards and the big run Tennessee gave up was 65 yards. If Tennessee makes those plays, which they "should" have, this message board would be talking about how pleasantly surprised they are with the defense.

Also, it is difficult to rate Tennessee's pass rush so far due to the fact they have played two spread teams that make you maintain your rush integrity.

Anyways, just my two cents.
 
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#83
To me this game rides on whether or not florida can get pressure with 4 on Bray. If florida has to send extra men then I don't think florida will be able to stop the Vols. The gators are definitely good enough to get pressure with 4.
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UTVOL02 said:
Good stuff, TBB :good!:

I also watched the game, live, and I agree...this isn't a UF team to be scared of. If the Vols bring their A game it won't be close, the score will end up being very similar to the Cincy game.
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Good grief.
 
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zjcvols said:
It's getting better. There is no "rapid ascenscion". Cincy still was able to put up some drives, and the ends just can't get pressure on the QB consistently. Our tackles are good, our lb's aren't as bad as I thought they would be, and our secondary is worse than I thought it would be. Thank God Brantly isn't very good, because if he was, he could easily have 300 yards passing Saturday.
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I saw a game against Cincy where the Defense's back was against a wall.

2 drives, 5 plays, 160 yards, 2 TDs.


What I saw, though, was a Defense that adjusted:

54 plays, 234 yards (4.3YPP), 1 TD (short field due to fumble), 1 FG, 4-14 3rd Down, 0-2 4th Down


Say what you will, but give credit where it's due. Not a good Defense, not yet, but they are young and they are learning.
 
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DC Vol said:
I saw a game against Cincy where the Defense's back was against a wall.

2 drives, 5 plays, 160 yards, 2 TDs.


What I saw, though, was a Defense that adjusted:

54 plays, 234 yards (4.3YPP), 1 TD (short field due to fumble), 1 FG, 4-14 3rd Down, 0-2 4th Down


Say what you will, but give credit where it's due. Not a good Defense, not yet, but they are young and they are learning.
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That is the point I was trying to make....good post.:salute:
 
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UTVOL02 said:
His first pass was an INT vs. SC and he came back and threw for 2 TD's against a pretty good D on the road. That was his first time on the field as UT's QB. He's grown up quite a bit since then and done nothing but show signs of greatness. I agree with you that it's his first real road test but I wouldn't bet against Bray handling everything UF throws at him, no matter how many times he's hurried/knocked down/sacked. Bray isn't scared and you shouldn't be either.
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Sure, I trust Bray. I also trusted Ainge in 2005 and Crompton in 2008.

You don't know how a 19 year old kid is going to perform with 95k screaming bloody murder at him for the first time. You just don't.
 
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DC Vol said:
I saw a game against Cincy where the Defense's back was against a wall.

2 drives, 5 plays, 160 yards, 2 TDs.


What I saw, though, was a Defense that adjusted:

54 plays, 234 yards (4.3YPP), 1 TD (short field due to fumble), 1 FG, 4-14 3rd Down, 0-2 4th Down


Say what you will, but give credit where it's due. Not a good Defense, not yet, but they are young and they are learning.
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That's exactly what I said.
 
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chuck0303 said:
Agree. I say VOLS by 14 but it could easily be 21. I think Dooley will keep his foot on the gas unless it gets out of hand; doesn't want to lose this one. It will be a big statement to the rest of the SEC. It will also make the next 4 SEC opponents sit up and pay attention. Get ready, after beating the Gators, the bandwagon analysts will start piling on.:good!:
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U boys seem awful confident and after last game I can't blame ya... BUT

But, our defense is gonna get tested this week more so than Cincy. Speed, speed, speed. They haven't touched their playbook yet. We've had a tendency to fumble, a lot, so far this year. -2 turnover margin against the gators equals loss.

I'm excited as everyone is about our start and Bray, but he hasn't been tested with pressure yet. Florida will bring loads of it. People on here predicting a 2 or 3 td win on the road in the SEC against one of our biggest rivals is utterly ludicrous. PERIOD.

Hope we win of course, my prediction: 31-28 Vols.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Interesting observations. Thanks. Maybe the mighty Gators aren't so mighty this year. At the very least, maybe it benefits us playing them early this year. Usually it seems like the opposite.
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The Gators are like a monster in a horror movie. I don't count them out until they are absolutely dead and have no heartbeat.
We have given them several games by making mistakes on special teams, fumbles, penalties or interceptions or missed tackles.
I have a good feeling about this game but I won't really count them out, until there is no more time on the clock in the 4th quarter.
 
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I agree with the OP, I just watched the first half of the UAB game.

On offense, I think they may be vanilla for a reason, nearly every carry for Demps/Rainey was set to the outside besides a coupls of draw plays. Most yards were the result of missed tackles.

When Burton/Gillislee are at TB, they run up the middle.

Most passes were swing passes other than the flea flicker which was severly underthrown by Brantley.

On every pass I saw that was downfield Brantley stared the WR down the whole time.

Brantley was pretty inaccurate from what I saw, missed on a few plays that could have been big.

Their front 4 were unimpressive, unless UAB has a really good OLine, they were jumping all over the place, offsides a few times and lined up in the nuetral zone once. Got virtually no pressure on the QB, he just couldn't complete a pass and when he did it was negated by a penalty. Even when they sent another man, they were picked up.

The secondary was beat deep at least 3 times, once was about a 50 yard TD that was called back and the other times the QB overthrew the WR by a mile.

Their LB's are very fast but overpursued more than once, not much bad to say about that group though.

Matt Elam ( safety ) was burnt more than once.

With all that said, UT will still have to play an A game to win.
 
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HialeahGator said:
What's your summary of UT's D and run offense the first two games?
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D is young and growing up. They've played against two experienced spread teams and had some lapses. As a fan, it is a little scary that they had the lapses and comforting that they got much better in both games as it progressed. Cincy had 160 yds on their first two drives out of 392 total. Their other TD was on a short field set up by Lane's fumble.

The D has more raw talent in the two deep than UT has had since at least 06.

The run game will be fine. Montana sold out to stop the run and UT ran into the teeth of their D anyway for the experience. The OL took another step forward against Cincy after getting off to a slow start. FWIW, both Cincy and Montana are big and very experienced on the DL. IMHO, Montana is better than Cincy.

The Vols still need someone to step up alongside Poole. Poole is currently 4th in the conference with 199 yds. Neal's opportunities have been limited because of a camp injury. Lane hasn't gotten it going with his opportunities. You can see the instinct and ability but he hasn't made the transition yet. Smith may not be quite ready physically.
 
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IMHO, both of these teams still have enough issues to be as concerned with themselves as they are with the next opponent. Both coaching staffs are still new.

There are WAY too many variables to predict this game. Both fanbases have good reasons for optimism and a near panic level of nerves.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Correct.

Been there enough times to know that what we see in weeks one and two may bear very little resemblance to what we see in week three.
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This. I'm kind of laughing a a bit at some of the comments about UT winning by 21. I'll believe that when I see it. I've seen this way too many times; UF looks beatable against weaker teams their first couple of games, we beat up some average to bad teams, and suddenly we look rosy. And then the game happens, and it's a totally different story.

IF Tennessee wins, it will likely be very close. If it were at Knoxville, I'd feel a lot better.

Now having said all of that, I really am hoping this is the 2011 version of the 1995 Alabama game; we go down and punch them in the mouth early and never let up and we put an end to a long losing streak. I'm really tired of losing to Florida.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Yeah I know Florida was vanilla is this game but I'm not impressed at all by their defense. That great front seven was pushed around at times and their secondary should provide a good launching pad for us. I can see Hunter and Rogers going crazy. They can't cover well in man or zone. UAB moved the ball but were making some dumb plays to negate their big plays.

On offense: Brantley still is struggling throwing the ball. Demps and Rainey(this guy in particular) are their playmakers. As long as we can get Justin Coleman up to speed we can really give them problems. A lot of their plays they made were from missed tackles nothing special. UAB was getting very good push up the middle until they got tired.

I feel a bit more confident now after watching them. I know they will come out with their full playbook but I feel good about our personel matchups. I don't think they can keep up in a shootout.
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It was UF's first shut out in 5 years, so I guess they did something right. UAB only had 212 yards total on 52 plays, and only averaged 5 yards per attempt in the air. They had 2 drops on 28 passes and UF controlled the LOS all day with essentially 4 guys. They never got to Ellis, but we knew coming in that they probably wouldn't. UAB threw a ton of quick stuff and ran a lot in obvious passing situations. Key stat: UAB was 1-10 on 3rd down and 0-3 on 4th down. Florida has only allowed 3 third down conversions all year long in 23 attempts.

It's hard to take anything from either game, as UF showed almost nothing, barely blitzed, did not disguise any coverages, and played soft coverage a lot of times in both games. It's hard to take anything away from the good stats either as UF clearly outmatched both teams by a wide margin.
 
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Not sure where all the over confidence is coming from and I also don't get why people are down playing Florida. This is the team that had the number 1 recruiting class in 2010. They've still got talent everywhere. Their defense allowed 130 total yards in the first game and 212 yards in the second. Granted the opponents were terrible but if we're gonna get all excited about how our offense played against horrendous defenses, then we can say the same for Florida's defense. I like our chances this weekend but lets not set our guys up for failure.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This. I'm kind of laughing a a bit at some of the comments about UT winning by 21. I'll believe that when I see it. I've seen this way too many times; UF looks beatable against weaker teams their first couple of games, we beat up some average to bad teams, and suddenly we look rosy. And then the game happens, and it's a totally different story.

IF Tennessee wins, it will likely be very close. If it were at Knoxville, I'd feel a lot better.

Now having said all of that, I really am hoping this is the 2011 version of the 1995 Alabama game; we go down and punch them in the mouth early and never let up and we put an end to a long losing streak. I'm really tired of losing to Florida.
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Hmmmm, were you predicting a 21 pt win over Cincy? I was. I say we win by 14 over UF, more likely 21. I'll take a 1 pt win but I think it won't be as close a game as most here think. We will put up lots of points even though they will probably be through the air. My only concern is us stopping their run. I think Wilcox's Defensive schemes will bend but seldom break. Our O will play keep away and look for Dooley to take some 4th down chances if necessary. Calculated, not stupid. At least Dooley has the Kahunas to try, unlike Fulmer.
 
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Let me also say for the Gators, not too much up on Charlie Weiss but I think Muschamp will be a good coach for them. I'm not sure they have enough bullets in the chamber this year; not saying they're bad but not like the dominating teams they've had in the past. They, too, may be a year or so from being where they want to be.
 
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