Was not aware of NIL rules like this

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B81 said:
Their are no limits on nil, that would be against the courts decision. They could argue that too much as a percentage is going to football and basketball, but that is it.
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I was about to post the same thing. The NCAA has no say on how much athletes can earn on a NIL deal.

If Lebron James decided he wanted to play college football, he could do it and easily get 50+ million dollar NIL deal and the NCAA couldn't say jack.
 
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They are taking about the new deal, that needs congressional approval, that begins in the 2025/26 school year. The schools will be paying the NIL and there will be a limit. Evidently, the Vols are over that limit.
 
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As some of you have alluded to, this guy is basically blowing smoke where there is no fire. Unless I'm grossly mistaken, the schools technically have nothing to do with NIL. NIL is a financial agreement between the student athlete and the collective, the latter of which has no legally binding affiliation with the school. Wasn't that the argument put forth when all of that stuff about Nico flying on a private jet to Knoxville was in the news. Yes, the collective has a relationship with the school, but it is a separate entity unto itself. Coaches and ADs can solicit donations from fans for the collectives, but they (technically) don't control how the money is distributed. They likely make suggestions about how much a player should receive, but I don't think they have any binding authority to say what the player receives.

Again, I'll plead a little ignorance on this because I don't know what the new agreements state, but I think the revenue sharing effort is separate from NIL. My understanding is it's a means of providing money to all student athletes, irrespective of their "popularity (i.e., marketability/NIL earning ability)." It's a way to finally "share the wealth" with the student athletes from the revenues the schools are generating. Nico and any other high-profile athletes will still be able to earn NIL money separate from revenue sharing (unless I'm totally mistaken about what's in the revenue sharing agreement).

Not to veer off on a wild tangent, but while we're talking about NIL, for all of you people complaining about Nico and others about their performance, you must remember that NIL is not a performance-based system. It's a popularity-based system. These athletes are being paid because of the fact that their "image" is in the public eye. As far as I know there is nothing in their individual contracts with the collectives that says they have to meet certain performance criteria in their chosen sport. They're being paid primarily because people know who they are.
 
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The silliness of the "school cap" of $20M is obvious in the article. Schools over that amount "will have to find real NIL deals for players" as though that system isn't already in place.

So $20M goes to the "revenue sharing school fund" and the "overflow" of NIL deals, if any, is done by the existing collectives "that aren't connected to the schools."

Maybe the NCAA would like to do away with those collectives by monitoring them very closely for "being too close to the schools" but the NCAA would just be asking to get sued, as the state of TN sued over Nico, even more.

Nothingburger. The settlement and college funded NIL does essentially nothing but shift money around and foreshadow the courts calling players employees.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Maybe the NCAA would like to do away with those collectives by monitoring them very closely for "being too close to the schools" but the NCAA would just be asking to get sued, as the state of TN sued over Nico, even more.
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That’s exactly what the new settlement is hoping to do. Any deals outside of the school's will have to be "true" NIL deals. The NCAA will have to approve those deals as well to keep donors from doing anything ridiculous.

This is all new, it's part of a settlement of several lawsuits. The NCAA is going to need congress to allow it as an anti-trust exemption to stop future lawsuits.

Still some hurdles to get over but this is getting closer to becoming reality.
 
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ntxVOL said:
That’s exactly what the new settlement is hoping to do. Any deals outside of the school's will have to be "true" NIL deals. The NCAA will have to approve those deals as well to keep donors from doing anything ridiculous.

This is all new, it's part of a settlement of several lawsuits. The NCAA is going to need congress to allow it as an anti-trust exemption to stop future lawsuits.

Still some hurdles to get over but this is getting closer to becoming reality.
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The coming Congress is going to be busy downsizing and reshaping government so I'm not sure of the priority of an Antitrust Exemption, since the NCAA has been lobbying for it for quite some time.

Given the "power back to the states" tone of the incoming govt, I'm skeptical they want to overrule states like TN who have sued to keep the NCAA from meddling in state NIL rules.

What IS getting closer is the courts declaring players are employees at which point college revenue sports can fold into the NFL, NBA, and MLB or form their own pro league. Still, without an Antitrust Exemption, none of that works.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The coming Congress is going to be busy downsizing and reshaping government so I'm not sure of the priority of an Antitrust Exemption, since the NCAA has been lobbying for it for quite some time.

Given the "power back to the states" tone of the incoming govt, I'm skeptical they want to overrule states like TN who have sued to keep the NCAA from meddling in state NIL rules.

What IS getting closer is the courts declaring players are employees at which point college revenue sports can fold into the NFL, NBA, and MLB or form their own pro league. Still, without an Antitrust Exemption, none of that works.
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The schools have agreed to this, there won't be any schools suing the NCAA over this. The only lawsuits would come from players.
 
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ntxVOL said:
The schools have agreed to this, there won't be any schools suing the NCAA over this. The only lawsuits would come from players.
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The STATE OF TN sued the NCAA over the Nico harassment. I don't think they're involved in the schools vs NCAA settlements.

NIL regulations are state issues, recall Ewers skipping a year of HS to go to Ohio State because Texas laws prohibited him from signing an NIL deal but Ohio didn't. Without Congress, who I'm skeptical wants to be seen promoting Federal control over State issues, none of this works.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The STATE OF TN sued the NCAA over the Nico harassment. I don't think they're involved in the schools vs NCAA settlements.

NIL regulations are state issues, recall Ewers skipping a year of HS to go to Ohio State because Texas laws prohibited him from signing an NIL deal but Ohio didn't. Without Congress, who I'm skeptical wants to be seen promoting Federal control over State issues, none of this works.
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So all the NCAA member schools in the state agreed to these new rules but the state will sue anyway? Not sure if serious.

Edit to add: This settlement is in response to lawsuits brought by former athletes not by any schools.
 
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ntxVOL said:
So all the NCAA member schools in the state agreed to these new rules but the state will sue anyway? Not sure if serious.

Edit to add: This settlement is in response to lawsuits brought by former athletes not by any schools.
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Again, the NIL rules are state specific and not just for NCAA athletes. I'm not certain this incoming administration nor state legislatures are interested in "Federal overreach" to take over NIL.

Shockingly, the states may have more interest than just athletics in retaining control over NIL. I know all that matters at VN is athletics but the states will have their input.

There's little reason why the Feds need to have control over NIL nationwide. It's really none of their business what TN decides vs what OH decides.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Again, the NIL rules are state specific and not just for NCAA athletes. I'm not certain this incoming administration nor state legislatures are interested in "Federal overreach" to take over NIL.

Shockingly, the states may have more interest than just athletics in retaining control over NIL. I know all that matters at VN is athletics but the states will have their input.

There's little reason why the Feds need to have control over NIL nationwide. It's really none of their business what TN decides vs what OH decides.
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The Fed's wouldn't be taking control of anything. Just applying an anti trust exemption.

Edit to add: By allowing the exemption, they would allow college sports to move forward without the threat of lawsuits.
 
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ntxVOL said:
The Fed's wouldn't be taking control of anything. Just applying an anti trust exemption.

Edit to add: By allowing the exemption, they would allow college sports to move forward without the threat of lawsuits.
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Move forward or regress?
 
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ntxVOL said:
The Fed's wouldn't be taking control of anything. Just applying an anti trust exemption.

Edit to add: By allowing the exemption, they would allow college sports to move forward without the threat of lawsuits.
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This entire push toward schools compensating players, having an Antitrust Exemption, the NCAA controlling how much players can make via NIL, etc...... is EXACTLY pro sports.

It won't be "college sports" legally for long when it looks exactly like pro sports. The next brick to fall is employee status, then class attendance becomes legally unenforceable (an employer can't force you to study in a field unrelated to your job, nor should they be able to force you to study things unrelated to your job,) then 4 year eligibility becomes legally unenforceable (on age discrimination grounds.)

I don't deny this is the only way forward but it's not going to be as "college athletics."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
This entire push toward schools compensating players, having an Antitrust Exemption, the NCAA controlling how much players can make via NIL, etc......
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The NCAA cannot control "true" NIL. What we've seen thus far is pay for play. That's what this settlement seeks to limit.
 
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adam.vol said:
Move forward or regress?
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It is what it is, the NIL can has been opened, there's no going back now.

This agreement essentially puts in place what many on this site have been clamoring for. It probably won't be perfect but it is a step in that direction.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
Beverly Hillbillies curse
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No Way Smh GIF by Laff
 
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