Was Jackson's hit clean?

Did Janzen Jackson show all out effort to help win or did he make a "thuggish" play?

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#326
#326
SandoVOL said:
Wrapping up doesn't knock the ball out in that situation. That was the right play to make, hit the guy hard in the square of the back and make him drop the ball. Thats what he did, and the refs called a foul and gave the receiver the catch anyway. Easily two blown calls.
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It wasn't that one play. Jackson likes to go for the big hit, and not every player is the size of Brandon James.

As for this play, trying to knock the ball out is all fine and good. But this isn't a TD pass. It was a pass to midfield, and it wasn't vital for him to make that decision. Jackson made a mistake and launched himself at the receiver, and even if it isn't a penalty in college, he left it up to the officials to deem in unneccessary roughness/hitting a defenseless receiver. Don't put it in the ref's hands at a crucial moment. So not only did the dude keep the catch, but another 15 got tacked on.

He gambled on everything going wrong in the receiver making the catch and getting a penalty added to it against knocking the guy out of bounds and living to play another down. That's a 30-yard risk, and he lost.

If you think it was the absolute right play to make, then Jackson should've done so fundamentally, which does not include your feet leaving the ground. If he does that, there's probably no flag.

We had an abortion of a referee this game, but I think Jackson made a mistake here. I totally get why others would disagree too. You always want the ref to not affect the outcome of the game, and he did at this spot due to his subjective opinion of the hit.
 
#327
#327
TitanHope said:
It wasn't that one play. Jackson likes to go for the big hit, and not every player is the size of Brandon James.

As for this play, trying to knock the ball out is all fine and good. But this isn't a TD pass. It was a pass to midfield, and it wasn't vital for him to make that decision. Jackson made a mistake and launched himself at the receiver, and even if it isn't a penalty in college, he left it up to the officials to deem in unneccessary roughness/hitting a defenseless receiver. Don't put it in the ref's hands at a crucial moment. So not only did the dude keep the catch, but another 15 got tacked on.

He gambled on everything going wrong in the receiver making the catch and getting a penalty added to it against knocking the guy out of bounds and living to play another down. That's a 30-yard risk, and he lost.

If you think it was the absolute right play to make, then Jackson should've done so fundamentally, which does not include your feet leaving the ground. If he does that, there's probably no flag.

We had an abortion of a referee this game, but I think Jackson made a mistake here. I totally get why others would disagree too. You always want the ref to not affect the outcome of the game, and he did at this spot due to his subjective opinion of the hit.
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Thank God it's still 2010 because I would hate to have the dumbest post of the year get wasted in the first few moments of 2011. Thank you ma'am for being early. :hi:
 
#328
#328
TnScooby said:
OMG....What is so hard to explain???..He DID NOT make helmet-to-helmet contact...There is NO RULE about "launching" in the NCAA...The receiver was NOT DEFENSELESS...IT WAS A CLEAN HIT....PERIOD..Stop trying to make it anything other than a TERRIBLE CALL by the officials...PERIOD....It's football and you are supposed to hit players when they have the ball...Simple as that...
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look at the rule for defenseless receiver.
 
#329
#329
rockytophigh said:
Thank God it's still 2010 because I would hate to have the dumbest post of the year get wasted in the first few moments of 2011. Thank you ma'am for being early. :hi:
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then you my friend have read none of codyg's work this previous year. puts any other post this year to shame

on a separate note, I love how everything's now derailed into "if you disagree with me, then you're clearly an idiot"...cause that's totally how debating points works people
 
#330
#330
formercollegeAce4 said:
look at the rule for defenseless receiver.
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I have...And the receiver was NOT defenseless...You and spud should team up and form a fantasy football league..The receiver had the ball in his hands making him fair game, not defenseless...You really ought to check out the Lingerie Football League for your football entertainment..But I warn you, even the WOMEN still hit receivers right after they catch a pass..
 
#331
#331
TnScooby said:
OMG....What is so hard to explain???..He DID NOT make helmet-to-helmet contact...There is NO RULE about "launching" in the NCAA...The receiver was NOT DEFENSELESS...IT WAS A CLEAN HIT....PERIOD..Stop trying to make it anything other than a TERRIBLE CALL by the officials...PERIOD....It's football and you are supposed to hit players when they have the ball...Simple as that...
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Not really.
http://www.volnation.com/forum/4510367-post65.html
 
#333
#333
Volfan8282 said:
He had already "caught " the ball. Unless he's a little slow in the head, he doesn't need to concentrate on the ball when it's already in his hands.
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So the receiver can defend himself from a hit on his way down from the catch and barely one foot on the ground? How would he defend himself on that play?
 
#337
#337
orangetanker11 said:
So the receiver can defend himself from a hit on his way down from the catch and barely one foot on the ground? How would he defend himself on that play?
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Doesn't matter if he can defend himself or not. The rulebook clearly defines which players are "defenseless". That guy wasn't.
 
#338
#338
Was the hit clean or legal? I guess its a matter of opinion to a degree.

Was the catch clean or legal? According to replay, No.
 
#341
#341
Being at the game and seeing it live it looked like a hell of hit...seeing the replay later didn't change my mind..
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#343
#343
WillisWG said:
another example of the wussification of football...
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College football has gotten more violent incrementally every year. Bigger, faster, stronger blah blah. The protection these guys wear is also getting better but we are at the point technologically that there's not a whole lot more to improve.

The NCAA mostly in its own self interest is struggling to protect the players from extreme, debilitating injury and death. You think Schutt wants a headline "Zarakowskianiona Dies On The Field; Brain Trauma While Wearing A Schutt Helmet".

Football isn't being wussified.

You'd be pissed as a spectator in attendance at the Colosseum if the lions and tigers had to chase the Christians instead of feasting on them handcuffed to the walls. :ermm:
 
#344
#344
for the pussification of NFL football that has now trickled down to College Football!! Janzen Jackson was a legal hit!! You are ruining football on both levels, you gotta go!!
 
#345
#345
GoodoleRockyTop3 said:
for the pussification of NFL football that has now trickled down to College Football!! Janzen Jackson was a legal hit!! You are ruining football on both levels, you gotta go!!
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He has nothing to do with it. It was a clean hit that was ruled incorrectly.. A bad call. You can thank cheap players like Warren Sapp who intentionally try to hurt players. I'm all about a good lick, but some of these guys are trying to kill players. RG is trying to protect the players that keep us watching on Sunday's. Get over yourself.
 
#347
#347
JTrainDavis said:
Lets stop whining. 865 threads is enough.
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Every thread i've read this morning has you telling everyone to quit whining. Well why don't you quit reading? Besides, I didnt know marines could read. I thought they were more like the space monkeys we would send up first before the important people went.
 
#348
#348
razinhale said:
Every thread i've read this morning has you telling everyone to quit whining. Well why don't you quit reading? Besides, I didnt know marines could read. I thought they were more like the space monkeys we would send up first before the important people went.
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Don't ever call me a Marine. Leave that to my dad and the few guys I like on here who were dumb enough to love 2nd class equipment.

And I complain about whining because the main board is clogged with new threads whining about things that are already covered in 100 other threads. Feel free to chime in there, bubba.
 
#349
#349
OrangeHammer said:
He has nothing to do with it. It was a clean hit that was ruled incorrectly.. A bad call. You can thank cheap players like Warren Sapp who intentionally try to hurt players. I'm all about a good lick, but some of these guys are trying to kill players. RG is trying to protect the players that keep us watching on Sunday's. Get over yourself.
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Wrong Hammer!!! It was ruled that he launched himself into the player (new rule) not that he lead with his helmet!!! Bad rule that does go back to Goodall and the NFL most likely. The problem is that with the improvments to helmets,they have gone from protecting the player wearing it,to said player using it as a weapon. Leading with the helmet is bad on every level for both the hitter and the hitt player,but launching yourself into another player is the fundamental basis for the game! This has to be the second dumbest rule the NCAA has, next to whatever rule allowed UNCheat to steal the bowl game!! GO VOLS!
 
#350
#350
JTrainDavis said:
Don't ever call me a Marine. Leave that to my dad and the few guys I like on here who were dumb enough to love 2nd class equipment.

And I complain about whining because the main board is clogged with new threads whining about things that are already covered in 100 other threads. Feel free to chime in there, bubba.
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Yeah we like our second class equipment. We do a lot more with it than thw army could. And we have a lot more respect from the world.
Sorry but the army has been loosing a lot of any respect I had for them. But on a side note. My prayers go out to those who were struck by the tornadoes yesterday. And my old base of ft leonard wood.
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