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SSVol said:
No more insane than the broad brush statement that the health care systems of most of the 1st world are inferior to the US system simply because the are provided by the government.
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usually just comes down to priorities. large hospital systems take govt grants but operate on 'razor thing margins.' Basically they're run like sheet.
 
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SSVol said:
No more insane than the broad brush statement that the health care systems of most of the 1st world are inferior to the US system simply because the are provided by the government.
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Feels like maybe the richest country in the history of the world shouldn't be just completely not on the list:

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MarcoVol said:
You have been sold propaganda your entire life regarding socialized medicine.

Private insurers thank you for your cooperation!
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Maybe you're right. Basic common sense says that socialism medicine sucks just like all other forms of socialism but hey. Who knows.

Personally I'd love to actually be able to compare them apples to apples. Unfortunately, we cannot do that until European socialist medicine countries stop being completely subsidized by Americans. In the mean time I do agree that having your country be able to decree "We will only pay X for this medicine" and pass the costs of that decision to people on the other side of the world is a pretty sweet system. 18 month wait times not withstanding.

That being said, the propaganda must be killing the game because I don't have any complaints about my coverage or quality of healthcare, just like the majority of Americans

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Ten_Titans said:
Maybe you're right. Basic common sense says that socialism medicine sucks just like all other forms of socialism but hey. Who knows.

Personally I'd love to actually be able to compare them apples to apples. Unfortunately, we cannot do that until European socialist medicine countries stop being completely subsidized by Americans. In the mean time I do agree that having your country be able to decree "We will only pay X for this medicine" and pass the costs of that decision to people on the other side of the world is a pretty sweet system. 18 month wait times not withstanding.

That being said, the propaganda must be killing the game because I don't have any complaints about my coverage or quality of healthcare, just like the majority of Americans

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Socialism sucks, unless it is Law Enforcement or the Military. Then it's world class.
 
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SSVol said:
Socialism sucks, unless it is Law Enforcement or the Military. Then it's world class.
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Are you quoting Reddit or something?

Socialism is an economic and political system advocating for public or common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange
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Economic being the operative word. Responsibilities of law enforcement and the military do not fall under production, distribution, or exchange.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Socialization doesnt work well with Capitalism.

there are good things about the European model. Healthcare for citizens. Access to better quality hospitals, and medicines. The FDA is what it is, but, Big Pharma has too much leeway. That said, id much rather be here, with our health care, esp with specialists in America versus other Countries.
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My experience across Latin America is that I'd rather be there for healthcare than here in the US. (No offense to our resident HC workers here on VN, whom I respect greatly.) The socialized part of it is generally good care that is inconvenient as **** with horrible wait times. But the private system is streamlined and SO MUCH cheaper than here in the states. You can generally get private care out of pocket for about what your copays and OOP would be here in the states. Private HC insurance is also much cheaper because of this. Additionally, many countries have group memberships one can sign up for with private hospital networks that make private healthcare even cheaper (not insurance, but acts similarly with reduced rate, predefined costs for most things--at $25-$50/mo membership fees).

So, one can generally get good, socialized healthcare for emergencies without having to go bankrupt (that's the main issue here in the US, as far as I'm concerned). And there's generally affordable private care for most of the things you'd be waiting for in the socialized system. (And that's not even mentioning that in most Latin countries, your pharmacist is qualified and freed to diagnose and prescribe most of the daily things we'd otherwise have to go pay a PCP for, just for them to prescribe through the pharmacist. Heck, in MX, many large pharmacies have a resident physician that you can visit as a walk-in, be examined and treated, and walk out with whatever Rx you need. All for a few dollars, plus the cost of Rx.)

In Latin America, you go in and they present your options with up-front pricing. You will know and agree to whatever treatment will happen, knowing the cost ahead of time.

Fell and cut your head open? OK. This is what we recommend, and these are the itemized costs of everything, from stitches to brain scan... (ETA: The stitches etc will probably be less than $100.)
Broke your leg? OK, These will be the itemized costs of treatment, from pain meds to cast and a set of crutches. (ETA: It'll be a fraction of the cost of the US, even if you need surgery... ESPECIALLY if you need surgery.)

The American healthcare system is stacked against the healthcare recipients. With all due respect, it's largely a profit-increasing industry; not a healthcare industry. It exists mainly to force people into processes that increase costs to the customer(i.e. profits to the providers) and at best delay recovery.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Feels like maybe the richest country in the history of the world shouldn't be just completely not on the list:

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Funny to me that Austrailia is so high. I think that being so isolated helps them. Also, investing in first world infrastructure is huge.

Gotta think, they have a ton of insect borne, animal borne illnesses that we dont deal with here. Also, we know that spawn of Shelob, and death frogs all live in Austrailia. Hell, even the most cuddly creatures have Chlamydia.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
My experience across Latin America is that I'd rather be there for healthcare than here in the US. (No offense to our resident HC workers here on VN, whom I respect greatly.) The socialized part of it is generally good care that is inconvenient as **** with horrible wait times. But the private system is streamlined and SO MUCH cheaper than here in the states. You can generally get private care out of pocket for about what your copays and OOP would be here in the states. Private HC insurance is also much cheaper because of this. Additionally, many countries have group memberships one can sign up for with private hospital networks that make private healthcare even cheaper (not insurance, but acts similarly with reduced rate, predefined costs for most things--at $25-$50/mo membership fees).

So, one can generally get good, socialized healthcare for emergencies without having to go bankrupt (that's the main issue here in the US, as far as I'm concerned). And there's generally affordable private care for most of the things you'd be waiting for in the socialized system. (And that's not even mentioning that in most Latin countries, your pharmacist is qualified and freed to diagnose and prescribe most of the daily things we'd otherwise have to go pay a PCP for, just for them to prescribe through the pharmacist. Heck, in MX, many large pharmacies have a resident physician that you can visit as a walk-in, be examined and treated, and walk out with whatever Rx you need. All for a few dollars, plus the cost of Rx.)

In Latin America, you go in and they present your options with up-front pricing. You will know and agree to whatever treatment will happen, knowing the cost ahead of time.

Fell and cut your head open? OK. This is what we recommend, and these are the itemized costs of everything, from stitches to brain scan... (ETA: The stitches etc will probably be less than $100.)
Broke your leg? OK, These will be the itemized costs of treatment, from pain meds to cast and a set of crutches. (ETA: It'll be a fraction of the cost of the US, even if you need surgery... ESPECIALLY if you need surgery.)

The American healthcare system is stacked against the healthcare recipients. With all due respect, it's largely a profit-increasing industry; not a healthcare industry. It exists mainly to force people into processes that increase costs to the customer(i.e. profits to the providers) and at best delay recovery.
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This Nation also has an epidemic of patient advocacy. Or lack thereof.
 
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