Warrior and Kongbo

#77
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MBVFL1 said:
After as many secondary coaches we've had the last few years I think it's about time we put the blame else where like on the players. Abernathy played horrible and he's a guy that's been here awhile he can't cover anybody, can't tackle and is too slow. As far as the rest on defense about the same
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At least UT has good film to study now because the defense was completely exploited by an above average offensive team. Practicing against yourself doesn't reveal much. Chalk this one up to experience and know there is a lot of room for improvement. I'm not gonna call any players out by name on a message board but I do trust in the defensive staff,(who made bad calls themselves, or himself), to refine this mess. In a sense this was to be expected but not to this degree. We have two more weeks and weaker opponents to get better and given the fact that we have just about 25 practices in fall camp I don't feel it's adequate time to install new systems with new coaches,etc.... that was the big advantage WVU had over us....they've been player together under the same coach and at least 6 5th year seniors starting on offense. As one poster has stated maybe in a previous thread....calm down and relax.
 
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Manning Up said:
Once again, Kongbo lived down to my expectations.
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Everyone should have been very suspect of his recruiting rating. The guy only had a couple of years football experience. Another example of over rated recruits picking u.t.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Well what do you expect when your last 3 coaches were Kiffin, Doofus and Botch?
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You might as well include Pruitt too. Over the off-season I read several times that CJP was spending a great deal of time coaching up the DBs, seeing that as a weakness of the team. The result of all his effort to improve our pass defense? Grier lays 429 passing yards and 5 TD passes on UT.
Many are maligning Warrior on this thread, but just for the record ESPN lists him as second on the team in tackles with 8, behind Kirkland's 10. Kongbo had 1.
 
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albedo33 said:
You might as well include Pruitt too. Over the off-season I read several times that CJP was spending a great deal of time coaching up the DBs, seeing that as a weakness of the team. The result of all his effort to improve our pass defense? Grier lays 429 passing yards and 5 TD passes on UT.
Many are maligning Warrior on this thread, but just for the record ESPN lists him as second on the team in tackles with 8, behind Kirkland's 10. Kongbo had 1.
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Flowers, Taylor, and Thompson all played significantly yesterday at DB and all 3 are Freshman. We're going to give up plays this year because of that. WV is probably the best passing team we'll play this year, heck maybe in the next 4 years. This will make us better in the long run.
 
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albedo33 said:
You might as well include Pruitt too. Over the off-season I read several times that CJP was spending a great deal of time coaching up the DBs, seeing that as a weakness of the team. The result of all his effort to improve our pass defense? Grier lays 429 passing yards and 5 TD passes on UT.
Many are maligning Warrior on this thread, but just for the record ESPN lists him as second on the team in tackles with 8, behind Kirkland's 10. Kongbo had 1.
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Hmmmm did you see a pass rush to help secondary.....want to point finger start there....our defense ends couldn't run down Greer and he's not really fast....guys need use common sense..secondary is going they need go ahead play freshmen these other guys are just not good....and don't appear they ever will be...
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
With this team, a 3-4 defense is gonna get boat ra ed in the SEC. there is nowhere near enough speed on the outside, and not enough power in the middle. What we could do otherwise I have no clue, but this season is going to be long unless one of those things changes and soon.
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Finally someone e with sense this is spot on.....nailed it!!!!
 
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albedo33 said:
You might as well include Pruitt too. Over the off-season I read several times that CJP was spending a great deal of time coaching up the DBs, seeing that as a weakness of the team. The result of all his effort to improve our pass defense? Grier lays 429 passing yards and 5 TD passes on UT.
Many are maligning Warrior on this thread, but just for the record ESPN lists him as second on the team in tackles with 8, behind Kirkland's 10. Kongbo had 1.
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Warrior also got burnt a few times. I think the only way to really transform our secondary is with recruiting that of course will take time.
 
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I think we can all agree that we didn’t look great, there were flashes in the first half that showed the defense could be good.

My takeaways are this.

This will be the best QB/WR combo we’ll face all year, and in the first half we hung around, got some stops and didn’t do terrible but not exactly great either. The delay didn’t help us any either, I think that gave WVU enough time to really game plan better.

The offense looks a lot better, sure we only scored 14 but we actually moved the ball unlike last year. The Oline still sucks but I think that will slowly fix itself through the year. If Chandler isn’t out long we should be good with him and Jordan and London.

JG looked worlds better compared to last year, he looks more in control, I think he’ll be one of the better QBs in the SEC by the end of the year.

The defense will get better, again this is probably the best offense we’ll face all year, and even then we did an ok job in the first half.

I also think that the WVU Olinemen holding pretty much every play negated a lot of the pass rush, I remember one play where one of the LBs got through and had Grier dead to rites and the center held him right in front of the ref and nothing was called.

We got pressure just not consistently. I don’t really know what to say about the secondary. They sucked, hopefully Pruitt can get that fixed in a hurry.

I can see us winning six, but at this stage I wouldn’t count on us winning more than that.
 
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zydane47 said:
I think we can all agree that we didn’t look great, there were flashes in the first half that showed the defense could be good.

My takeaways are this.

This will be the best QB/WR combo we’ll face all year, and in the first half we hung around, got some stops and didn’t do terrible but not exactly great either. The delay didn’t help us any either, I think that gave WVU enough time to really game plan better.

The offense looks a lot better, sure we only scored 14 but we actually moved the ball unlike last year. The Oline still sucks but I think that will slowly fix itself through the year. If Chandler isn’t out long we should be good with him and Jordan and London.

JG looked worlds better compared to last year, he looks more in control, I think he’ll be one of the better QBs in the SEC by the end of the year.

The defense will get better, again this is probably the best offense we’ll face all year, and even then we did an ok job in the first half.

I also think that the WVU Olinemen holding pretty much every play negated a lot of the pass rush, I remember one play where one of the LBs got through and had Grier dead to rites and the center held him right in front of the ref and nothing was called.

We got pressure just not consistently. I don’t really know what to say about the secondary. They sucked, hopefully Pruitt can get that fixed in a hurry.

I can see us winning six, but at this stage I wouldn’t count on us winning more than that.
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Alabama and Georgia both have much better offenses than West Virginia
 
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Just a bad matchup for this team. WVU's strengths lined up with our weaknesses almost perfectly. Our best shot was always going to be producing long drives on offense that kept them off the field, and keeping the game close, not actually shutting down their offense. Three more drives like we had in the second quarter and our defensive stats would have looked a lot better.

Our DL is about what I thought it was. The starting three are fair to middling SEC linemen, and beyond that we got nothing. I thought we started to get some pass rush on Grier in the second quarter, primarily from Tuttle, but as the game went on the lack of depth behind them really showed. Overall they played decent against the run, but WVU's running game is really a complimentary component to their offense, so it is nothing to get too excited about. WVU played a lot of 7 man protections, knowing how good their WR's matched up on our DB's, and we couldn't generate any pressure from our front 5 or 6 (we played a ton of nickel and dime), so we had to blitz, and our DB's couldn't cover one on one.

The LB's really need to be addressed inside vs. outside. On the inside, Kirkland led the team in tackles and Bituli seemed to get people to the ground once he got his hands on them. But really, inside LB's are only going to get you so far against a team like WVU that makes all its yards throwing to WR's. They should be much more of a factor against UF, UGA, Bama, and Auburn. The OLB's are the ones we needed to step up, specifically in their pass rush, and Kongbo and Taylor were invisible out there. Those guys have got to get better if we are going to do anything on defense this year, and the clock is ticking on them.

We should have known when we rolled out 3 true freshmen in the secondary that it was going to be a long day. This was just a talented, experienced trio of WR's playing for their second year with talented QB. Against that we had three guys straight out of high school, two of whom weren't full time CB's, and one of whom had only played football his senior year. In better programs, all three of those guys would have been on the bench this year, but they are apparently the best we have to roll out there. Flowers flashed on a PBU in the second quarter, but getting frozen trying to pick up on a CB blitz where Sills did the double move is exactly what you'd expect from a true freshman on a 5th year senior. I have hope those three youngin's will learn on the job this season, but it won't be their last rough outing. Buchanan and Warrior were both disappointing because they don't have the youth excuse. Warrior in particular, I think there's been some regression to the mean from his daddy, because I haven't seen much of anything out of him now in his third year. Abernathy, God bless him, is a fine kid and will make a wonderful representative of this university when he graduates, but the guy is just not a football player. Theo Jackson at least made a play, but I was surprised that we hardly saw any of Shamburger, who I thought was supposed to be a bigger part of this secondary. The only positive is that we won't face a passing attack this good again.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Just a bad matchup for this team. WVU's strengths lined up with our weaknesses almost perfectly. Our best shot was always going to be producing long drives on offense that kept them off the field, and keeping the game close, not actually shutting down their offense. Three more drives like we had in the second quarter and our defensive stats would have looked a lot better.

Our DL is about what I thought it was. The starting three are fair to middling SEC linemen, and beyond that we got nothing. I thought we started to get some pass rush on Grier in the second quarter, primarily from Tuttle, but as the game went on the lack of depth behind them really showed. Overall they played decent against the run, but WVU's running game is really a complimentary component to their offense, so it is nothing to get too excited about. WVU played a lot of 7 man protections, knowing how good their WR's matched up on our DB's, and we couldn't generate any pressure from our front 5 or 6 (we played a ton of nickel and dime), so we had to blitz, and our DB's couldn't cover one on one.

The LB's really need to be addressed inside vs. outside. On the inside, Kirkland led the team in tackles and Bituli seemed to get people to the ground once he got his hands on them. But really, inside LB's are only going to get you so far against a team like WVU that makes all its yards throwing to WR's. They should be much more of a factor against UF, UGA, Bama, and Auburn. The OLB's are the ones we needed to step up, specifically in their pass rush, and Kongbo and Taylor were invisible out there. Those guys have got to get better if we are going to do anything on defense this year, and the clock is ticking on them.

We should have known when we rolled out 3 true freshmen in the secondary that it was going to be a long day. This was just a talented, experienced trio of WR's playing for their second year with talented QB. Against that we had three guys straight out of high school, two of whom weren't full time CB's, and one of whom had only played football his senior year. In better programs, all three of those guys would have been on the bench this year, but they are apparently the best we have to roll out there. Flowers flashed on a PBU in the second quarter, but getting frozen trying to pick up on a CB blitz where Sills did the double move is exactly what you'd expect from a true freshman on a 5th year senior. I have hope those three youngin's will learn on the job this season, but it won't be their last rough outing. Buchanan and Warrior were both disappointing because they don't have the youth excuse. Warrior in particular, I think there's been some regression to the mean from his daddy, because I haven't seen much of anything out of him now in his third year. Abernathy, God bless him, is a fine kid and will make a wonderful representative of this university when he graduates, but the guy is just not a football player. Theo Jackson at least made a play, but I was surprised that we hardly saw any of Shamburger, who I thought was supposed to be a bigger part of this secondary. The only positive is that we won't face a passing attack this good again.
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Bammer and UGA are usually running teams but their QBs can throw and their receivers are capable of picking up YAC yds just like WV. Mizz and SC can throw it around as well. So our DBs are very capable of getting tourched again. Not to mention our poooor pass rush against bigger and better OL in SEC
 
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bnhunt said:
LBs were non-existent too. Barely heard Kirkland or Bituli's names.
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Kirkland had 10 tackles. The name that I don’t remember hearing was Kongbo. Of course, the analysts were so busy touting Grier for Heisman (can’t blame them after that game) that there was no time for a Vol player.
 
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They'll be experimenting with DB combos these next two games. The showdown will be game 4: either we can or we can't.
 
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