Warren Moon -vs- Randall Cunningham

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Depends on the situation.

Career: Moon, hands down.

One game at his absolute best: Cunningham. Freakish athlete, good QB, cannon for an arm.
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Warren Moon, and it's not even close. Warren Moon is the reason I actually buy the claims that racism held black QB's back. He went undrafted and played in the CFL for 5 years before he got a shot in the NFL. How and why both Houston and Minnesota let him go, I'll never know. Minnesota kind of makes sense cause he was 40, but he was still playing well at 42. Houston replaced him with Billy Joe Tolliver.....
 
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nbakerld said:
Warren Moon, and it's not even close. Warren Moon is the reason I actually buy the claims that racism held black QB's back. He went undrafted and played in the CFL for 5 years before he got a shot in the NFL. How and why both Houston and Minnesota let him go, I'll never know. Minnesota kind of makes sense cause he was 40, but he was still playing well at 42. Houston replaced him with Billy Joe Tolliver.....
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Houston wanted to clean house.

Adams had been blamed for the team's previous spells of incompetence, largely because he had overly micromanaged the Oilers (for instance, all expenditures over $200 required his personal approval). He displayed this tendency again before the 1993 season. After three losses in the wild card playoffs and three losses in the divisional playoffs, he gave the Oilers an ultimatum – unless they made the Super Bowl in 1993, he would break up the team. While the Oilers responded with a 12–4 record, their best record ever in Texas, and another AFC Central title, they lost in the second round to the Chiefs. Adams made good on his threat to hold a fire sale, most significantly trading Moon to the Minnesota Vikings. Without Moon, the Oilers appeared to be a rudderless team. They finished the next season 2–14, the third-worst record for a full season in franchise history. The Oilers managed to get back to respectability over the next two years, but would never make the playoffs again in Texas. However, they did manage to establish the future cornerstone of the offense by drafting Steve McNair in 1995.
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They had, at the time, gone to the playoffs 6 seasons in a row but each year failed to make it past the divisional round. Having done such, before the 1993 season, the owner gave them the ultimatum to make the super bowl or else he'd break up the team. They did respond by having their best record in Houston (12-4), won the central, and again made the divisional round but lost. At that point (7 straight years of playoff losses), he chose to just gut the team as he had threatened to do
 
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Bud Adams can be called a lot of things, but racist isn't one of them. His three previous franchise QBs were all black. Moon, McNair, and Young. Tolliver, Chandler, and Collins weren't considered franchise QBs.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Houston wanted to clean house.
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Yeah, but what I'm saying is if Warren Moon has white skin they won't want to clean house. Not cause their hateful racists, but because they have subconscious prejudices that make them undervalue Moon's contributions.

Kind of like the NBA referees. None of them would consider themselves racist, but data shows with statistical significance that white refs favor white players, and black refs favor black players in their foul-calling.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yeah, but what I'm saying is if Warren Moon has white skin they won't want to clean house. Not cause their hateful racists, but because they have subconscious prejudices that make them undervalue Moon's contributions.

Kind of like the NBA referees. None of them would consider themselves racist, but data shows with statistical significance that white refs favor white players, and black refs favor black players in their foul-calling.
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no, not in this case. This was simply someone losing too much and angrily saying "that's it, you're all fired"

I understand what you're getting at and where you're going (underlying racism in media or sports can be a very fascinating discussion....as long as one doesn't go everywhere looking for it in every thing they find), but this would have still happened regardless of who the QB was


You know those times when, say for example, someone gets frustrated trying repeatedly to assemble a grill/make it work, failing time and time again till they, eventually, just throw the whole thing off of their porch in a fit of frustration? That's pretty much what this was; a rash, impulsive (not well thought out) action done in (impatient) frustration
 
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OMG..Are you seriously even starting a thread about this?? Gee, what a comparison..MOON by about the widest margin possible in comparing 2 quarterbacks..Wow, this is a new low even for you BC....
 
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Billy Costigan said:
Cunningham > Moon

JMO
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Absolutely ridiculous..Moon won FIVE Consecutive Grey Cups (CFL equivalent to NFL Super Bowl) in just 6 seasons, has thrown for more than 70,000 yards in pro football, has NINE Pro Bowls in the NFL alone and threw for 49,325 yards in the NFL..Moon is the ONLY player EVER to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame AND the Canadian Football Hall of Fame..EVER..There are really too many other awards to start listing them without wasting about 2 pages..How in the world could you EVER compare Cunningham to Moon?!?...Just stop now before you look even MORE ridiculous than you did by even starting this thread..Geez
 
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