War in Ukraine

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#89,377
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#89,389
#89,389
Russia is continuing to make incursions on sovereign NATO territory. . There were 500 drone flights into Denmark. Russia is playing with fire. This is a sign of weakness, as Russia lashes out. The Russian economy is under tremendous pressure. Putin’s response is threatening.

www.dailymail.co.uk

FIVE HUNDRED drone sightings are reported in Denmark

The population is full of fear following the drone incursions that shut down two of its airports on Wednesday night.
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#89,390
#89,390
In Crimea, authorities said that half of petrol stations had run out.

“The situation is critical – many stations have closed completely,” one resident told Meduza, an independent Russian outlet.

Crimean Wind, a prominent pro-Ukrainian Telegram channel, reported that Sevastopol, the largest city on the peninsula, was almost completely out of petrol.
 
#89,392
#89,392
FortSanders said:
Russia is continuing to make incursions on sovereign NATO territory. . There were 500 drone flights into Denmark. Russia is playing with fire. This is a sign of weakness, as Russia lashes out. The Russian economy is under tremendous pressure. Putin’s response is threatening.

www.dailymail.co.uk

FIVE HUNDRED drone sightings are reported in Denmark

The population is full of fear following the drone incursions that shut down two of its airports on Wednesday night.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Cool story, I guess this one is a wrap then and we can close the thread.
 
#89,396
#89,396
LSU-SIU said:
I have no idea what that is even suppose to mean.

Whatever it takes to keep convincing yourself you are sane I guess will work. 🤷‍♂️

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I have to admit the "we're" comments are hilarious. Keep them coming.
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You seem to be living in a state of fear of Russia. You should contact them and let them know that you want to go ahead and preemptively surrender, so that you can alleviate yourself of this abject fear that's dominating your life.
 
#89,397
#89,397
BeardedVol said:
You seem to be living in a state of fear of Russia. You should contact them and let them know that you want to go ahead and preemptively surrender, so that you can alleviate yourself of this abject fear that's dominating your life.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, or what you even trying to say. You have serious problems, there isn't much I can do about it. 🤷‍♂️

You're the one writing about Russia, Russia, Russia. I have no fear from Russia, never did anything to me that I am really aware my whole life. 😂
 
#89,398
#89,398
About time, Trump. Huge arms purchase with LR missiles.

### Overview of the $90 Billion US-Ukraine Weapons Deal

As of September 28, 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has announced the finalization of a major "mega deal" with the United States valued at approximately **$90 billion** for the purchase of American-made weapons. This agreement, discussed in meetings with President Donald Trump in late August and early September 2025, shifts from traditional U.S. aid donations to a purchase model financed partly by Ukraine (with European ally support) to appeal to Trump's emphasis on boosting U.S. defense industry sales. The deal includes a separate $50 billion agreement for U.S. purchases of Ukrainian-manufactured drones.

The package encompasses a wide range of advanced weaponry, with a **particular focus on long-range systems** requested by Ukrainian defense officials to counter Russian advances and protect critical infrastructure. While the full list of equipment is not yet public (technical negotiations are ongoing), it prioritizes air defense, precision strikes, and standoff capabilities. Major U.S. contractors like Lockheed Martin (for missile systems) and Raytheon (for air defense) are expected to play key roles.

### Key Long-Range Missile System in the Deal

The primary **long-range missile system** included in this $90 billion deal is the **Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS)**, a ground-launched ballistic missile with a range of up to **190 miles (300 km)**.

- **Details on ATACMS**:
- Launched from High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) or M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), which Ukraine already operates.
- Capable of striking deep into enemy territory for precision attacks on command centers, logistics hubs, and airfields—critical for Ukraine's needs amid escalating Russian missile barrages.
- The deal builds on prior U.S. deliveries (e.g., limited batches in 2023–2024) but scales up to thousands of units, with broader usage permissions (e.g., targeting Russian military sites beyond the border, though deep strikes on Moscow remain restricted to avoid escalation).
- Estimated cost per missile: $1–1.5 million; the package could include 1,000+ units, funded via the NATO-led Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL).

This system was explicitly highlighted in Zelenskyy's announcements as a "game-changer" for long-range strikes, with initial deliveries expected in late 2025 under the new funding mechanism.

### Other Long-Range Capabilities in the Deal

The agreement also incorporates complementary long-range systems to enhance Ukraine's standoff strike options:

- **Extended Range Attack Munition (ERAM)**: Air-to-ground cruise missiles (up to 280 miles/450 km range) for F-16 fighters. An $825 million tranche approved in August 2025 includes 3,350 ERAMs, GPS kits, and support equipment, financed by Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway.
- **Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)**: Potential inclusion of these stealthy cruise missiles (up to 230–600 miles range), though not yet confirmed in the $90 billion breakdown.
- **Patriot Interceptor Missiles**: For the Patriot air defense system, enabling interception of Russian long-range ballistic and cruise missiles (e.g., Kinzhal hypersonics). At least 10 additional Patriot batteries and thousands of interceptors are prioritized, with a first $500 million batch (including HIMARS munitions) arriving in September 2025.

| System | Range | Launch Platform | Primary Role | Estimated Units in Deal |
|--------|--------|-----------------|--------------|-------------------------|
| **ATACMS** | 190 miles | HIMARS/MLRS | Ground-launched precision strikes | 1,000+ |
| **ERAM** | 280 miles | F-16 aircraft | Air-to-ground standoff attacks | 3,350 (initial tranche) |
| **Patriot Missiles** | Intercepts up to 100+ miles | Ground-based Patriot | Air defense vs. incoming missiles | Thousands (with 10+ batteries) |
| **JASSM (potential)** | 230–600 miles | F-16 aircraft | Long-range cruise strikes | TBD |

### Context and Implementation
- **Financing and Timeline**: Ukraine has secured $2–3.5 billion via PURL for initial purchases, with NATO allies aiming for $10 billion total. Monthly deliveries could reach $1 billion starting October 2025, prioritizing urgent needs like air defense amid Russian strikes on Kyiv and Zaporizhzhia.
- **Strategic Shift**: Unlike Biden-era grants, this emphasizes sales to U.S. firms, aligning with Trump's "America First" policy. It replaces paused donations and includes relocation plans for Patriot systems from allies.
- **Limitations**: Tomahawk cruise missiles (1,600+ mile range) were requested but denied to prevent strikes on major Russian cities like Moscow. Targets must be coordinated with the Pentagon.

This deal marks a significant escalation in U.S. support, potentially shifting battlefield dynamics by enabling deeper Ukrainian strikes. For the latest updates, monitor official announcements from the U.S. State Department or Zelenskyy's office, as details may evolve during implementation talks.
 
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#89,399
#89,399
MontyPython said:
About time, Trump. Huge arms purchase with LR missiles.

### Overview of the $90 Billion US-Ukraine Weapons Deal

As of September 28, 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has announced the finalization of a major "mega deal" with the United States valued at approximately **$90 billion** for the purchase of American-made weapons. This agreement, discussed in meetings with President Donald Trump in late August and early September 2025, shifts from traditional U.S. aid donations to a purchase model financed partly by Ukraine (with European ally support) to appeal to Trump's emphasis on boosting U.S. defense industry sales. The deal includes a separate $50 billion agreement for U.S. purchases of Ukrainian-manufactured drones.

The package encompasses a wide range of advanced weaponry, with a **particular focus on long-range systems** requested by Ukrainian defense officials to counter Russian advances and protect critical infrastructure. While the full list of equipment is not yet public (technical negotiations are ongoing), it prioritizes air defense, precision strikes, and standoff capabilities. Major U.S. contractors like Lockheed Martin (for missile systems) and Raytheon (for air defense) are expected to play key roles.

### Key Long-Range Missile System in the Deal

The primary **long-range missile system** included in this $90 billion deal is the **Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS)**, a ground-launched ballistic missile with a range of up to **190 miles (300 km)**.

- **Details on ATACMS**:
- Launched from High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) or M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), which Ukraine already operates.
- Capable of striking deep into enemy territory for precision attacks on command centers, logistics hubs, and airfields—critical for Ukraine's needs amid escalating Russian missile barrages.
- The deal builds on prior U.S. deliveries (e.g., limited batches in 2023–2024) but scales up to thousands of units, with broader usage permissions (e.g., targeting Russian military sites beyond the border, though deep strikes on Moscow remain restricted to avoid escalation).
- Estimated cost per missile: $1–1.5 million; the package could include 1,000+ units, funded via the NATO-led Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL).

This system was explicitly highlighted in Zelenskyy's announcements as a "game-changer" for long-range strikes, with initial deliveries expected in late 2025 under the new funding mechanism.

### Other Long-Range Capabilities in the Deal

The agreement also incorporates complementary long-range systems to enhance Ukraine's standoff strike options:

- **Extended Range Attack Munition (ERAM)**: Air-to-ground cruise missiles (up to 280 miles/450 km range) for F-16 fighters. An $825 million tranche approved in August 2025 includes 3,350 ERAMs, GPS kits, and support equipment, financed by Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway.
- **Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)**: Potential inclusion of these stealthy cruise missiles (up to 230–600 miles range), though not yet confirmed in the $90 billion breakdown.
- **Patriot Interceptor Missiles**: For the Patriot air defense system, enabling interception of Russian long-range ballistic and cruise missiles (e.g., Kinzhal hypersonics). At least 10 additional Patriot batteries and thousands of interceptors are prioritized, with a first $500 million batch (including HIMARS munitions) arriving in September 2025.

| System | Range | Launch Platform | Primary Role | Estimated Units in Deal |
|--------|--------|-----------------|--------------|-------------------------|
| **ATACMS** | 190 miles | HIMARS/MLRS | Ground-launched precision strikes | 1,000+ |
| **ERAM** | 280 miles | F-16 aircraft | Air-to-ground standoff attacks | 3,350 (initial tranche) |
| **Patriot Missiles** | Intercepts up to 100+ miles | Ground-based Patriot | Air defense vs. incoming missiles | Thousands (with 10+ batteries) |
| **JASSM (potential)** | 230–600 miles | F-16 aircraft | Long-range cruise strikes | TBD |

### Context and Implementation
- **Financing and Timeline**: Ukraine has secured $2–3.5 billion via PURL for initial purchases, with NATO allies aiming for $10 billion total. Monthly deliveries could reach $1 billion starting October 2025, prioritizing urgent needs like air defense amid Russian strikes on Kyiv and Zaporizhzhia.
- **Strategic Shift**: Unlike Biden-era grants, this emphasizes sales to U.S. firms, aligning with Trump's "America First" policy. It replaces paused donations and includes relocation plans for Patriot systems from allies.
- **Limitations**: Tomahawk cruise missiles (1,600+ mile range) were requested but denied to prevent strikes on major Russian cities like Moscow. Targets must be coordinated with the Pentagon.

This deal marks a significant escalation in U.S. support, potentially shifting battlefield dynamics by enabling deeper Ukrainian strikes. For the latest updates, monitor official announcements from the U.S. State Department or Zelenskyy's office, as details may evolve during implementation talks.
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Since they are paying for them, I expect they are not bound by US limitations on what and where they can strike inside Russia with them.
 
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Max range of "new" US provided missiles to Ukraine:

ATACMS: 300 km
ERAMS: 450 km
JASSMS: 370 - 965 km

### Major Russian Oil Refineries and Distances from Ukrainian Border

Russia operates around 30 major oil refineries with a total capacity exceeding 5 million barrels per day (bpd). Below is a list of 12 of the largest, selected based on processing capacity (over 200,000 bpd or equivalent) and strategic importance (e.g., those frequently targeted in recent conflicts). Capacities are approximate annual figures converted from tons (1 million tons ≈ 20,000 bpd). Distances are straight-line estimates from the refinery's primary location to the nearest point on the Ukraine-Russia border (e.g., near Kharkiv or Sumy oblasts), sourced from geographic data and recent reports. These are not road distances and can vary slightly by exact coordinates.

| Refinery Name | Owner/Operator | Location (Region/City) | Capacity (million tons/year) | Approx. Distance to Ukrainian Border (km) |
|---------------|----------------|-------------------------|-----------------------------|------------------------------------------|
| Kirishi Refinery | Surgutneftegas | Leningrad Oblast (Kirishi) | 17.7 | 800 |
| Kstovo Refinery | Lukoil | Nizhny Novgorod Oblast (Kstovo) | 17.0 | 700 |
| Omsk Refinery | Gazprom Neft | Omsk Oblast (Omsk) | 16.0 | 1,500 |
| Ryazan Refinery | Rosneft | Ryazan Oblast (Ryazan) | 15.8 | 400 |
| Volgograd Refinery | Lukoil | Volgograd Oblast (Volgograd) | 14.5 | 300 |
| Tuapse Refinery | Rosneft | Krasnodar Krai (Tuapse) | 9.0 | 150 |
| Salavat Refinery (Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat) | Gazprom | Bashkortostan (Salavat) | 10.0 | 1,200 |
| Bashneft-Ufaneftekhim | Rosneft/Bashneft | Bashkortostan (Ufa) | 9.5 | 1,200 |
| Novokuibyshevsk Refinery | Rosneft | Samara Oblast (Novokuibyshevsk) | 9.0 | 800 |
| Afipsky Refinery | Rosneft | Krasnodar Krai (Afipsky) | 7.5 | 200 |
| Yaroslavl Refinery | Slavneft | Yaroslavl Oblast (Yaroslavl) | 15.0 | 500 |
| Angarsk Refinery | Rosneft | Irkutsk Oblast (Angarsk) | 9.0 | 3,500 |

### Notes
- **Capacity Source**: Derived from 2024–2025 data from Rosneft, Lukoil, Gazprom Neft reports, and industry analyses (e.g., EIA, Statista). Actual throughput may be lower due to recent disruptions.
- **Distance Calculation**: Based on geospatial estimates from reports on Ukrainian drone strikes (e.g., Ryazan at ~300 miles/480 km, but adjusted to ~400 km for precision). Southern refineries (e.g., Tuapse) are closest to the border near Crimea or Rostov.
- **Context**: Many of these (e.g., Tuapse, Ryazan, Volgograd) have been targeted by Ukrainian drones in 2025, reducing Russia's overall refining capacity by ~17% (1.1 million bpd). Refineries in the south and central regions are within 1,000 km, making them vulnerable to long-range strikes.
- For a full list of all ~30 refineries, refer to the Oil & Gas Journal or EIA's Russia profile.
 
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