War in Ukraine

[BeardedVol]

You might want to re-read the sentence you "quoted." That was a comma, not a period.

I know, grammar can sometimes trip us up. Happens to me sometimes. Try again.

He's gotten literally zero concessions out of Putin, regardless of meetings, regardless of threatening sanctions, and hasn't followed up on a single threat. Putin still puts forth the same nonsense that he has for going on nearly 4 years now, and Trump laps it up.

Trump could meet with Putin every day for the next year, and Putin wouldn't change his rhetoric, because he knows that he doesn't have to, Trump will never follow through with any negative action against him or Russia.

 

[n_huffhines]

We're supposed to believe there never would have been war after he promised a deal on day 1, he's completely mismanaged the situation for months (if a good deal is the actual goal), and now this is the deal??

 

[n_huffhines]

He's gotten literally zero concessions out of Putin, regardless of meetings, regardless of threatening sanctions, and hasn't followed up on a single threat. Putin still puts forth the same nonsense that he has for going on nearly 4 years now, and Trump laps it up.

Trump could meet with Putin every day for the next year, and Putin wouldn't change his rhetoric, because he knows that he doesn't have to, Trump will never follow through with any negative action against him or Russia.

Hey, but I thought Trump flexed on him with the flyover? What gives?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What Russia has taken on the battlefield, they'll have to get to keep. It's that simple, and I don't see any way around it at all. Zelenskyy will cry and b!tch, but he was unable to take back the land. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years.

Did that apply when Saddam took Kuwait? Did he get to keep the land he took?

That's a recipe for telling Putin every few years he can keep trying to "get the band back together" and grab land.

Don't let imperialist Russia start again. These maniac types that invade other little countries hoping for appeasement ARE always the problem.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It amazes me that people here on VN who, like me, despise and would never "think we can work with" a socialist like Bernie or Newsom, think we can work with Putin.

Putin was a communist and still is a communist who wants nothing of freedom for the people he rules nor the rest of the world. He's not a friend. He's not a "guy we can work with." He's not going to ally with America for ANYTHING that doesn't have, at the core, some way he thinks he might advance his agenda of a heavily socialistic controlled world.

He's a menace to the world and should be treated as such. Just like Bernie.

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[LSU-SIU]

It amazes me that people here on VN who, like me, despise and would never "think we can work with" a socialist like Bernie or Newsom, think we can work with Putin.

Putin was a communist and still is a communist who wants nothing of freedom for the people he rules nor the rest of the world. He's not a friend. He's not a "guy we can work with." He's not going to ally with America for ANYTHING that doesn't have, at the core, some way he thinks he might advance his agenda of a heavily socialistic controlled world.

He's a menace to the world and should be treated as such. Just like Bernie.

Don't worry he will eventually be replaced by someone else and someone will tell you to hate them as well, rinse and repeat. Vietnam was our enemy, now they are our friend until someone tells you they shouldn't be our friends again. The Taliban was our enemy, now they're our friends again. Its really simple if one actually thinks about it. I actually find it funny you brought up Saddam, because he was our friend fighting the Iranians and the U.S. was giving intelligence and funding, than he wasn't our friend.

Ever since I can remember, people were telling me to hate the Russians, but they forgot to mention why... just like they were telling my father to hate the North Vietnamese.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Don't worry he will eventually be replaced by someone else and someone will tell you to hate them as well, rinse and repeat. Vietnam was our enemy, now they are our friend until someone tells you they shouldn't be our friends again. The Taliban was our enemy, now they're our friends again. Its really simple if one actually thinks about it.

Putin IS an actual imperialistic Communist. His philosophy of life and government has NOTHING to do with individual freedoms. Like Xi or Kim Jung Un, these people are 180° from individual rights and personal freedom for anyone in the world. We can toss several Middle Eastern regimes in that category as well.

I'm not being "told this" but observing their behavior toward the country's they lead.

We have an incredible gift of wealth and some (not complete, but I know of no better) system of individual freedom in America. We shouldn't kowtow to these despots who seek nothing good for the world.

For the most part, we should concentrate on America and improving our own freedoms and strength but that doesn't mean it's in our interest to allow imperialistic communists or Islamic governments or any nation to just start imposing their military on other nations. It is not in our interests to let these types of governments just bully the world.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm not being "told this" but observing their behavior toward the country's they lead.

Yes you are, at least be a man and admit it. This is the same nonsense people told me since I can remember. Its low grade rinse and repeat nonsense.

My father was told the North Vietnamese were his enemy and he should die to stop them, pure nonsense.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yes you are, at least be a man and admit it. This is the same nonsense people told me since I can remember. Its low grade rinse and repeat nonsense.

My father was told the North Vietnamese were his enemy and he should die to stop them, pure nonsense.

You're hardly worth talking with. If you cannot see the issues with Russia trying to usurp land or China trying to control the Pacific waters as an issue America should notice and try to stop, you really aren't a student of the history of how imperialistic leaders behave.

Like it or not, there are bad actors in the world and yes, at times, that has included America. We are not perfect but we are no longer trying to extend our land by genocide or war.

We should keep to our selves as much as possible but I can assure you Putin isn't trying to gain land in Crimea and Southern Ukraine for cultural reasons but as a creeping desire for the imperial USSR to return to glory. Xi isn't expanding into the S China Sea for any kind of cultural unity or trade reasons. These people are just as much menaces as the crazy Islamists who believe the world should follow Allah at the risk of a blade to the neck.

I'm sorry about your Dad. Vietnam was a war based on what Eisenhower warned of, men who saw profit from endless military intervention around the world. That is not my view.

Politically, we should not cozy up to Putin to try to get him to "act right" but should sanction and tariff Russia into submission without mercy. Look at N Korea starving because they are a pariah to the world. We shouldn't make military war on N Korea, when should keep them gelded economically.

 

[RavinDave]

We don’t even want anything for Murkowski and will pay the freight. FOB Kamchatka.

I would even offer DDP Incoterms.

 

[BeardedVol]

My father was told the North Vietnamese were his enemy and he should die to stop them, pure nonsense.

That's an amazing leap of logic, even for you: "my father was told the NVA were his enemy during the Vietnam War, so Putin isn't a murderous dictator because of that now."

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're hardly worth talking with. If you cannot see the issues with Russia trying to usurp land or China trying to control the Pacific waters as an issue America should notice and try to stop, you really aren't a student of the history of how imperialistic leaders behave.

You have to come up with a new scam/gag, this is just low grade recycled nonsense for the last 60 years. You saying or implying I should hate someone you don't know, you have never even been close to, and have almost no knowledge is silly. A student of history would tell someone that this is just recycled nonsense, it was the same thing they were selling long before you were born.

At least be creative and come up with a new scam. Trying to sell me the same we have all heard before isn't going to work. Next, Da Putin has pee tapes on the Orange man and I should be wearing triple face diapers to save me from a virus not just double layer.

If you feel differently, I support your choice to self eliminate. Send us a letter or post from time to time. I can't support your lack of creativity and no that isn't going to convince any sane person of anything.

https://www.ildu.com.ua/

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You have to come up with a new scam/gag, this is just low grade recycled nonsense for the last 60 years. You saying or implying I should hate someone you don't know, you have never even been close to, and have almost no knowledge is silly. A student of history would tell someone that this is just recycled nonsense, it was the same thing they were selling long before you were born.

At least be creative and come up with a new scam. Trying to sell me the same we have all heard before isn't going to work. Next, Da Putin has pee tapes on the Orange man and I should be wearing triple face diapers to save me from a virus not just double layer.

If you feel differently, I support your choice to self eliminate. Send us a letter or post from time to time. I can't support your lack of creativity and no that isn't going to convince any sane person of anything.

https://www.ildu.com.ua/

I've not mentioned Putin vs Trump at all and care nothing for that BS.

Putin has been KGB his entire adult life. His record of being a communist and opposed to America exists well before Trump and will exist post Trump. You're not goading me into that.

Putin is a despot who has a goal of returning Russia to a world power and NOT a free Russia nor free satellite states. He has the same crappy communist mindset as he did when he was serving under Breshnev. He's a communist to the core. Will you deny that?

There's zero need for Russia to be in Crimea nor the rest of the Ukraine. Sanction them into the dark ages and all those who trade with them.

I'm not trying to start a war. I'm trying to keep us from HAVING to eventually protect Europe again from an imperialistic menace....... but let me guess, someone told my Dad he had to hate Hitler, right?

 

[WebbCobb]

Yes you are, at least be a man and admit it. This is the same nonsense people told me since I can remember. Its low grade rinse and repeat nonsense.

My father was told the North Vietnamese were his enemy and he should die to stop them, pure nonsense.

That’s because US leaders felt resisting the spread of communism was in the country’s best interest. You can disagree but it wasn’t a whimsical interest in making your father hate the Viet Cong.

Russia, under Putin and under previous communist governments, is a clear strategic rival to the US and western democracies in general. Elevating them in any way is pure stupidity or there is a personal interest driving the behaviour. In the case of the latter, it is a dereliction of duty.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I've not mentioned Putin vs Trump at all and care nothing for that BS.

Putin has been KGB his entire adult life. His record of being a communist and opposed to America exists well before Trump and will exist post Trump. You're not goading me into that.

Putin is a despot who has a goal of returning Russia to a world power and NOT a free Russia nor free satellite states. He has the same crappy communist mindset as he did when he was serving under Breshnev. He's a communist to the core. Will you deny that?

There's zero need for Russia to be in Crimea nor the rest of the Ukraine. Sanction them into the dark ages and all those who trade with them.

I'm not trying to start a war. I'm trying to keep us from HAVING to eventually protect Europe again from an imperialistic menace....... but let me guess, someone told my Dad he had to hate Hitler, right?

I don't care and a typical American doesn't care. You can either come up with a new gag or not, but the old gag stopped working - its nonsense.

There's zero need for Russia to be in Crimea nor the rest of the Ukraine. Sanction them into the dark ages and all those who trade with them.

If you care go sign up and leave the rest of the sane world out of it, I support your goal of being a dumb ass and getting yourself killed if that is what you wish.

Stop talking about it and go do it. All of this crazy stuff stopped working, only the extreme crazies won't deprogram at this point. Go get yourself all blown up and to be honest, do me a favor and don't send a letter.

https://www.ildu.com.ua/

(it doesn't matter how many times you post insane stuff, its still insane)

 

[LSU-SIU]

That’s because US leaders felt resisting the spread of communism was in the country’s best interest. You can disagree but it wasn’t a whimsical interest in making your father hate the Viet Cong.

Russia, under Putin and under previous communist governments, is a clear strategic rival to the US and western democracies in general. Elevating them in any way is pure stupidity or there is a personal interest driving the behaviour. In the case of the latter, it is a dereliction of duty.

Yes, it was then and its now, so what are we going on about? This is just obvious observation. Next, the Taliban is back to being our enemy. (rinse and repeat)

Elevating them in any way is pure stupidity or there is a personal interest driving the behaviour. In the case of the latter, it is a dereliction of duty.

Exactly, the Vietnamese were our enemy and now they are friend. As I said, they will tell you what to think because they can and you will do.

I'm going to go have beer and enjoy my day while you Generals figure out who all our enemies are and sanction them to death.

 

[apevol]

found @LSU-SIU

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't care and a typical American doesn't care. You can either come up with a new gag or not, but the old gag stopped working - its nonsense.



If you care go sign up and leave the rest of the sane world out of it, I support your goal of being a dumb ass and getting yourself killed if that is what you wish.

Stop talking about it and go do it.

https://www.ildu.com.ua/

So you really aren't interested in a serious look at the issue despite me saying I'm not looking for war and suggesting severe sanctions instead?

I've stated Vietnam was awful and nothing more than the military industrial powers making money and it cost me family and guys I grew up with. It was terrible and shouldn't be repeated in Ukraine certainly.

When I mention WWII, you suddenly become unable to answer because your "it's all manufactured BS" falls apart. There ARE actual bad actors, despots, crazy Islamists, crazy Zionist, crazy American Hawks, etc who need to be kept in check in this world. War is seldom the answer AND avoiding war via harsh economic realities is a preferred method for keeping despotic countries at bay.

Putin is a piece of crap. He's been a communist his entire life. He believes in Mother Russia and everything Stalin tried to build and he'd like nothing more than to be remembered right next to Stalin as a communist icon. F Putin and his goals. F trying to work with him except, as Reagan did with Gorbie, from a position of economic and social strangulation.

You're intent on just saying "it's all BS" when your parents never taught you an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Carry on, Mr Chamberlain. History gives you what you deserve.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Good luck to all sides today in Alaska.

Those that are pro-America and those with TDS that favor Russia.

Trump LITERALLY rolled out the red carpet for him and treated him like a dignified ally. That he met with him without Zelensky was submissive and weak. To take the submissiveness further, he is the errand boy for his meeting with Zelensky. No shat. He's relaying Putin's terms, NOT our terms.

Trump has been both accommodating to Putin and a defender of Putin for the entirety of his time as POTUS. For 4 years and now 8 months

Who favors Russia?

 

[volfanhill]

Trump LITERALLY rolled out the red carpet for him and treated him like a dignified ally. That he met with him without Zelensky was submissive and weak. To take the submissiveness further, he is the errand boy for his meeting with Zelensky. No shat. He's relaying Putin's terms, NOT our terms.

Trump has been both accommodating to Putin and a defender of Putin for the entirety of his time as POTUS. For 4 years and now 8 months

Who favors Russia?

WTF are you talking about? Our terms? GTFO. We are a mediator. I swear some of yall just want direct conflict

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

WTF are you talking about? Our terms? GTFO. We are a mediator. I swear some of yall just want direct conflict

WTF are YOU talking about about? When I say "our terms", I mean our terms as in an acceptable agreement as the world power and mediator. We shouldn't agree to Putin's terms to try and strong arm Ukraine into a cease fire. It has to be equitable for both parties.

 

[KB5252]

It really depends on the state of the Ukrainian army which is something none of us is qualified to know or comment on (unless we have a Senior Ukrainian Military official as a poster on here).

I'm not an expert but a family friend and former special forces operator was in Ukraine until fairly recently.

According to him moral is very low, war fatigue among the populace and horrible conditions are taking their toll on the average soldier.

The Ukrainian army has some solid fighters but many of them have been killed. The Ukrainian army needs an infusion of fighters to keep it going....... And there's no surplus available in Ukraine.

 

[MontyPython]

WTF are you talking about? Our terms? GTFO. We are a mediator. I swear some of yall just want direct conflict

Once again, Donald proves that Putin owns him.

Trump supposed "position" BEFORE Putin meeting:

Below is a list of quotes attributed to U.S. President Donald Trump demanding a ceasefire in the Ukraine war prior to his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin on August 15, 2025, based on available sources:

1. On the flight to Alaska for the Putin summit (August 15, 2025):
   “I want to see a ceasefire rapidly... I’m not going to be happy if it’s not today.”
2. Speaking to reporters before the Alaska summit (August 15, 2025):
   “There’s nothing set in stone. I want certain things. I want a ceasefire.”
3. Comment made to Fox News anchor Bret Baier (August 15, 2025):
   “I’m not going to be happy with that [if there is no ceasefire].”
4. Statement regarding expectations for the Putin meeting (August 15, 2025):
   “I won’t be happy if I walk away without some form of a ceasefire.”
5. Comment on his approach to the summit (August 15, 2025):
   “I want to see a ceasefire rapidly … I’m in this to stop the killing.”

Trump "position" AFTER Putin meeting:

His post-summit statements focus on pursuing a "Peace Agreement" rather than a ceasefire, which he noted "often times do not hold up." Below are relevant quotes from Trump after the summit that reflect this shift, as they contrast with his pre-summit ceasefire demands:

1. Posted on Truth Social after the summit (August 16, 2025):
   “It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up.”
2. Statement to Fox News after the summit (August 15, 2025):
   “Because of what happened today, I think I don't have to think about that [sanctions for not agreeing to a ceasefire] now.”
3. During a press conference alongside Putin in Alaska (August 15, 2025):
   “There’s no deal until there’s a deal.”

Trump praised the encounter after the summit, calling the meeting a "10" and hailing his "great relationship" with Putin.

Great job, Donnie. The "Art of the Squeal". Hope Putin didn't dry-gulch ya, Stable Genius.

 

[Majors]

Trump LITERALLY rolled out the red carpet for him and treated him like a dignified ally. That he met with him without Zelensky was submissive and weak. To take the submissiveness further, he is the errand boy for his meeting with Zelensky. No shat. He's relaying Putin's terms, NOT our terms.

Trump has been both accommodating to Putin and a defender of Putin for the entirety of his time as POTUS. For 4 years and now 8 months

Who favors Russia?

Pegged you for “out of spite” before the planes landed in Alaska and here we are.

You’re struggling with spinning this meeting. When you do errands, you leave to do them. The errands don’t come to you.