War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sure. NATO hasn't invaded Russia. But NATO does have a track record of invading (Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, Panama).
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On reflection maybe NATO has invaded Russia. After all both Germany and France are NATO members and Hitler and Napoleon did invade Russia. Seems like this selective time travel through history thing should be open for all to play.
 
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AM64 said:
On reflection maybe NATO has invaded Russia. After all both Germany and France are NATO members and Hitler and Napoleon did invade Russia. Seems like this selective time travel through history thing should be open for all to play.
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I've invaded Russia a bunch of times, in brothels across Europe.


Ukraine too now that I think of it.
 
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volgr said:
Where NATO admits they were never interested in living up to Minsk but using it as chance to arm and train Ukraine?
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those two things aren't exclusive. Do you really think Russia wasn't arming and training people during the Minsk agreements? both Ukraine and Russia broke the actual Minsk agreement, and both Ukraine/West and Russia used the ceasefire as a chance to rearm and prepare for the next fight.

this is why you can't be taken seriously, you only present a one sided opinion.

and I specifically distinguished between who did what.
 
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volgr said:
Yes, because the number that is wrong is the 7:1, not the 200k dead/wounded Russians. Give me a break. You guys live in a weird alternate reality.
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where did I quote 200k? you were the one bringing both numbers up. I have stated multiple times to you I think the numbers are somewhere between what both sides are presenting. I think both sides are somewhere around 150k casualties if you only consider fighters. once you throw in the civilians the number of dead Ukrainians rises much further than it does for Russia.

it was the Russian's using photoshop (because we have the actual documents) that made up the 7:1 number. thats been a fabrication the entire time. the 200k is at least in the realm of possibility.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sure. NATO hasn't invaded Russia. But NATO does have a track record of invading (Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, Panama).
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Why can’t it ever be both? Usa and Russia are bad? Why be such a blow hard for one cause rather than just acknowledge the truth. Any powerful nation will do what they want to get what they want.
 
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LouderVol said:
where did I quote 200k? you were the one bringing both numbers up. I have stated multiple times to you I think the numbers are somewhere between what both sides are presenting. I think both sides are somewhere around 150k casualties if you only consider fighters. once you throw in the civilians the number of dead Ukrainians rises much further than it does for Russia.
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You think Russia, who is outshelling Ukraine 10:1, as claimed by Ukraine last fall it is likely worse than that now, and who has air superiority over Ukraine...is dying in equal numbers to Ukrainians? Are you nuts? This doesn't even take into account the fact Russian soldiers are better trained and using better weapons. This is why you see a 7:1 kill ratio in favor of Russia and is more likely 10:1 in Bakhmut...and no, that isn't counting civilians. That is only counting military fighters. Russia struck 9 barracks the other night, I think Ukraine struck 1 a few days ago. Even that is lopsided.

Anyone discounting the 7:1 ratio (which is too low in current fighting) is doing so while ignoring all evidence on the ground.
 
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