War in Ukraine

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85SugarVol said:
And for good reason
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...and it's probably more because of the sanctions risk than the direct economic impact of military conflict. And that stuff might get passed and stick even if there is no war.

Sberbank, which would almost certainly be targeted in a round of sanctions, was down over 11% today and is down almost 50% from the October high.
 
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MontyPython said:
Russia potentially invading Ukraine raises the same questions of 30+ years ago when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Does the invaded country meet the threshold of its sovereignty being worth our intervention? Is it in our best national interest to put our troops in harm's way?

If you asked the Kuwait question today, would the answer be different than it was in 1990? From an economic standpoint I think so, considering that we're energy independent now. But allowing that invasion to stand unchallenged... would that have been a precedent that the US could have acceded to in principle? Would it have emboldened other countries to believe such actions would have similarly gone unchallenged and without consequence?

The same questions apply to Ukraine today, I think.

Is it really in our best national strategic interest to enter a war with Russia over Ukraine?

Would Russia be emboldened to take other smaller bordering countries if we idly sit by and watch Ukraine fall? Or would this strengthen our hand by forcing the Finland's and Sweden's of the world to immediately join NATO? Or does this prospect actually just bring us closer to an inevitable war with Russia due to NATO's war response clause?

Would our entering this potential war be any different than our rationale for trying to "stop the spread of communism" in south Asia in the Vietnam civil war?

Is it our moral duty, somehow, to intervene on behalf of Ukrainians?

I really waffle on most of these questions, but I think that just sitting by and watching Ukraine get carved up just strikes me as wrong.
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The simple solution to all of this is that either the US withdraws from NATO and let Europe handle it, or if we remain in NATO, then do not allow NATO to expand any further.

It really isn't that hard.
 
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allvol123 said:
Lol….projecting? Isn’t that the very same thing your boy Putin is doing in defending his build up along their border?
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Well what do you know? Not surprising...

Russian 'False Flag' In Ukraine Story Emerged After CIA Director Secretly Visited Kiev | ZeroHedge

On Monday it came to light that last week's whole false flag story which involved the US alleging that Russia is planning some kind of deceptive attack on its own forces or proxies in order to justify an incursion into Ukraine was fed straight to the CIA from Kiev intelligence officials.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The simple solution to all of this is that either the US withdraws from NATO and let Europe handle it, or if we remain in NATO, then do not allow NATO to expand any further.

It really isn't that hard.
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Cant allow that....Europeans overwhelmingly would choose the Russian side...
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea, it was never an actual option, huh?

Guess the Russians will just barge right in without any excuse. Is that a better look?
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They’ll publish the excuse while they’re having the sham referendum after the fact that the Ukrainians wanted them to invade.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It’s called the European Union...a body most European people detest...
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I’d guess not “most” it appears to be a fairly even divide. Regardless the EU and NATO are completely separate entities. The UK and US are NATO while not being EU.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’d guess not “most” it appears to be a fairly even divide. Regardless the EU and NATO are completely separate entities. The UK and US are NATO while not being EU.
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There is no difference...western controlled. Have a referendum continent wide amongst Europeans...they’d choose to get as far away possible from the US, NATO and the EU..
 
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Russia moves more troops westward amid Ukraine tensions | AP News

Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday it has received a shipment of anti-tank weapons from the U.K., noting that they will help “strengthen our defense capability.”
Russia already has started moving troops for the war games in Belarus. Fomin said it would take through Feb. 9 to fully deploy weapons and personnel for the Allied Resolve 2022 drills, which are expected to take place Feb. 10-20.

Fomin didn’t say how many troops will be involved, but mentioned that Russia will deploy a dozen Su-35 fighter jets and several air defense units to Belarus. The deployment would bolster an estimated 100,000 Russian troops with tanks and other heavy weapons who are already amassed near Ukraine.
Russia has denied an intention to attack its neighbor but demanded guarantees from the West that NATO will not expand to Ukraine or other ex-Soviet nations or place its troops and weapons there. Washington and its allies firmly rejected Moscow’s demands during Russia-U.S. negotiations in Geneva and a related NATO-Russia meeting in Brussels last week.
Fomin said the drills in Belarus, which involve an unspecified number of troops from Russia’s Eastern Military District, reflect the need to practice concentrating the country’s entire military potential in the west.

“A situation may arise when forces and means of the regional group of forces will be insufficient to ensure reliable security of the union state, and we must be ready to strengthen it,” Fomin said at a meeting with foreign military attaches. “We have reached an understanding with Belarus that it’s necessary to engage the entire military potential for joint defense.”
Belarus’ authoritarian president, Alexander Lukashenko, said the joint maneuvers will be conducted on Belarus’ western border and also in the country’s south, where it borders Ukraine. Lukashenko, who has edged increasingly close to Russia amid Western sanctions over his government’s crackdown on domestic protests, has recently offered to host Russian nuclear weapons.

A senior Biden administration official said the Russian troop deployment to Belarus raise concerns that Moscow may be planning to stage troops there in order to stretch thin Ukraine’s defenses with an attack from the north. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, noted that the movement may also indicate Belarus’s willingness “to allow both Russian conventional and nuclear forces to be stationed on its territory.”

Amid the tensions, Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday it was speeding up efforts to form reserve battalions that would allow for the rapid deployment of 130,000 recruits to expand the country’s 246,000-strong military.
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Getting official confirmation that Russian units stationed in the east are being forward deployed to the Ukrainian front. That has never happened in previous drills.


Ukraine crisis: US weighs more military support for Ukraine to resist Russia if it invades - CNNPolitics

In addition to considering how to help the Ukrainian military and government fend off an invasion, the US is evaluating options for bolstering Ukrainian forces' ability to resist a potential Russian occupation. That includes potentially providing the Ukrainian Army with additional ammunition, mortars, Javelin anti-tank missiles, and anti-aircraft missile systems, which would likely come from NATO allies, a senior US official told CNN.
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Think the time to send weapons is closing, we should have been doing that since 2014.
 
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Pacer92 said:
There is no difference...western controlled. Have a referendum continent wide amongst Europeans...they’d choose to get as far away possible from the US, NATO and the EU..
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Maybe in western Europe, think you'd find different opinion polls on them wanting to stay in NATO in eastern Europe with the resurgence of an angry Russia.
 
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Burhead said:
Russia moves more troops westward amid Ukraine tensions | AP News



Getting official confirmation that Russian units stationed in the east are being forward deployed to the Ukrainian front. That has never happened in previous drills.


Ukraine crisis: US weighs more military support for Ukraine to resist Russia if it invades - CNNPolitics



Think the time to send weapons is closing, we should have been doing that since 2014.
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Keep in mind, folks... these troop movements are on Russia's side of the border.
 
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Pacer92 said:
There is no difference...western controlled. Have a referendum continent wide amongst Europeans...they’d choose to get as far away possible from the US, NATO and the EU..
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Well I know that’s your contention yet they are not chained to NATO honestly I’d be completely fine if we pulled out funding. Then we’d see if they really wanted the organization to exist or not.

But with Putin going on his expansionist way again I’d guess the eastern NATO members aren’t going anywhere
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Keep in mind, folks... these troop movements are on Russia's side of the border.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at? You don't build up a 100,000+ force, with tanks and armored vehicles, and then start deploying aircraft for show. It is extremely rare that Russian forces from the east are being deployed. I mean you have some units that are closer to North Korea then they are to Europe being sent...
 
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