War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

Somehow you have convinced yourself that I am on the “pro-Russia” side of this, when I am simply on the “I hope we stay out of this” side of things.

I have seen the impact of undeclared wars on too many friends and family to want my boys to have to go fight for Ukraine. So, I repeat:

I hope we stay out of this.

The nutjobs believe you are either with them or against them. Hell, I'm at the point of telling NATO countries.... you figure it out. They have been locking people up for obvious free/politcial speech and now are basically either lockup up political opponents or banning platforms/parties.

The comedian and Biden should be giving Americans their money back.

P.S. do yourself a favor and put that particular nutjob on your ignore list. Just saying.

 

[Ritzwatch]

The nutjobs believe you are either with them or against them. Hell, I'm at the point of telling NATO countries.... you figure it out. They have been locking people up for obvious free/politcial speech and now are basically either lockup up political opponents or banning platforms/parties.

The comedian and Biden should be giving Americans their money back.

We certainly do not have as much in common with our allies as we used to.

(Or, at least, I hope we do not.)

 

[LSU-SIU]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1gu514a/ua_pov_the_main_points_of_turkish_president/

This has very close to zero chance of working out for either party.

The evil neocons really did a number here, there is no easy solution. Someone is going to have to annex the Western Ukraine, the only way there is a medium or long term solution is through the removal of the Ukraine from the equation i.e. annexation, force the Ukrainians out of the Ukraine, or kill them all. Georgia still has time to potentially protect itself from the West (neocons) but they might not have 4 years to prepare.

I am not sure why proposals like this are even floated around, it solves nothing for either party.

 

[BeardedVol]

Someone is going to have to annex the Western Ukraine, the only way there is medium or long term solution is through the removal of the Ukraine from the equation i.e. annexation, force the Ukrainians out of the Ukraine, or kill them all.

 

[Vol737]

You're assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal is still fully functional, and that any attempt to use them wouldn't cause the US, China, UK, France, Israel, India, and Pakistan to launch against Russia.

Putin isn't stupid, so he isn't launching nuclear weapons at the US because Ukraine is finally allowed to target the military sites in Russia with the weapons we've given them.

Yeah, you’re going to have to explain where you came up with China, India and Pakistan launching nukes at Russia like we’re five years old. I don’t disagree that Putin’s threat may just be bluster if these weapons are used against Russia, but I think your idea of the bulk of those countries responding to an attack NOT made against them is a head scratcher.

 

[Vol737]

Dupe

 

[LouderVol]

You're assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal is still fully functional, and that any attempt to use them wouldn't cause the US, China, UK, France, Israel, India, and Pakistan to launch against Russia.

Putin isn't stupid, so he isn't launching nuclear weapons at the US because Ukraine is finally allowed to target the military sites in Russia with the weapons we've given them.

yeah, most of those aren't going to launch on Russia.

and it doesn't require all of them working at 100% to be a very serious threat. They could still kill tens of millions with less than 25% of their stockpile. Heck only one or two working could easily kill that many.

you are being far too dismissive of the threat of nukes.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

Yeah, you’re going to have to explain where you came up with China, India and Pakistan launching nukes at Russia like we’re five years old. I don’t disagree that Putin’s threat may just be bluster if these weapons are used against Russia, but I think your idea of the bulk of those countries responding to an attack NOT made against them is a head scratcher.

Any preparation for the deployment of nuclear weapons by Russia is going to have a cascading effect, whereby every other nuclear power is going to prep their own nuclear weapons.

Most likely targets would be Lviv and Kyiv which would send fallout all across eastern Europe. Eastern European members of NATO will most assuredly consider the detonation of nuclear weapons in Ukraine and the subsequent radiological fallout as an act of war, and evoke Article 5

US reprisal strikes on Russia would have a similar effect on China, with fallout hitting the eastern and northern sections of the country, and the mobilization of their own nuclear forces will trigger both India and Pakistan to react accordingly.

No country with nuclear weapons is going to sit by as Russia instigates a nuclear war. There's a reason that Putin says these things, and then does nothing, because he gets a rise out of pearl-clutchers in the west who are looking for any and every reason to give him Ukraine, and the fact that he knows how little Russia has spent on maintaining Russia's nuclear weapons in the last 30 years, and that Russia wouldn't be able to withstand a NATO response.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yeah, you’re going to have to explain where you came up with China, India and Pakistan launching nukes at Russia like we’re five years old. I don’t disagree that Putin’s threat may just be bluster if these weapons are used against Russia, but I think your idea of the bulk of those countries responding to an attack NOT made against them is a head scratcher.

Just think the U.S. has been playing nuclear war games with the USSR and Russia for nearly 70 years and just think none of that was ever needed because they don't work. It really makes you wonder why nuclear weapons are needed at all.

 

[BeardedVol]

Just think the U.S. has been playing nuclear war games with the USSR and Russia for nearly 70 years and just think none of that was ever needed because they don't work. It really makes you wonder why nuclear weapons are needed at all.

The Russian Federation =/= The USSR in terms of military ability, or spending.

Russia spends barely more than the UK to maintain a nuclear arsenal that is supposed 200x greater than the UK's 225 weapons.

The cost of nuclear weapons

www.icanw.org

So no, I do not believe that Russia has maintained the vast quantity of their nuclear arsenal since the fall of the Soviet Union, which is evidenced by the lack of money they spend doing so.

 

[Vol737]

Any preparation for the deployment of nuclear weapons by Russia is going to have a cascading effect, whereby every other nuclear power is going to prep their own nuclear weapons.

Most likely targets would be Lviv and Kyiv which would send fallout all across eastern Europe. Eastern European members of NATO will most assuredly consider the detonation of nuclear weapons in Ukraine and the subsequent radiological fallout as an act of war, and evoke Article 5

US reprisal strikes on Russia would have a similar effect on China, with fallout hitting the eastern and northern sections of the country, and the mobilization of their own nuclear forces will trigger both India and Pakistan to react accordingly.

No country with nuclear weapons is going to sit by as Russia instigates a nuclear war. There's a reason that Putin says these things, and then does nothing, because he gets a rise out of pearl-clutchers in the west who are looking for any and every reason to give him Ukraine, and the fact that he knows how little Russia has spent on maintaining Russia's nuclear weapons in the last 30 years, and that Russia wouldn't be able to withstand a NATO response.

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Okay, I can buy there would be a heightened state of readiness by other nuclear countries as standard procedure if they had intel Russia was about to let loose a nuke. I think it’s a fairly big stretch to assume India, Pakistan, China, et al would prepare a preemptive strike, or even retaliatory strike, against Russia if they were not the target of said strike AND any retaliatory strike by US/NATO was limited to Western Russia with said countries being advised of that by the US. Let’s hope we don’t have to find out.

 

[DynaLo]

Y’all seem to be focusing on Putin using large scale global type nukes without considering that he has tactical battlefield nukes at his disposal just like we have.

He’s an evil man, but not a stupid man, so don’t be surprised if any Russian retaliation involves the targeted use of those tactical weapons. The bigger question is, what would those targeted areas be?

 

[Vol737]

Just think the U.S. has been playing nuclear war games with the USSR and Russia for nearly 70 years and just think none of that was ever needed because they don't work. It really makes you wonder why nuclear weapons are needed at all.

I’m hoping Russia’s first launch is an “oh s***!” moment for them, like this….



Doesn’t even get out of the gate.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I’m hoping Russia’s first launch is an “oh s***!” moment for them, like this….

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Doesn’t even get out of the gate.

These guys are so loony or retarded I just had to put 2 or 3 on ignore. I mean Evil was at least just Evil and I didn't put the witch on my ignore.

Guys are out here playing 4D chess and coming up with plans to win a nuclear war.

 

[BeardedVol]

Okay, I can buy there would be a heightened state of readiness by other nuclear countries as standard procedure if they had intel Russia was about to let loose a nuke. I think it’s a fairly big stretch to assume India, Pakistan, China, et al would prepare a preemptive strike, or even retaliatory strike, against Russia if they were not the target of said strike AND any retaliatory strike by US/NATO was limited to Western Russia with said countries being advised of that by the US. Let’s hope we don’t have to find out.

It's not, because all of them are worried about each other. Russia getting away with a nuclear release in Ukraine, would also set a precedent for their use, and no longer be deterrence.

Israel and Iran, Pakistan and India, Chin and India. All of these countries stand to lose as much as the US and EU if Russia is allowed normalize the use of nuclear weapons.

Which is why Xi and Modi as Russia's largest trading partners, have already told him to stop with the nuclear threats.

Indian PM Modi Cancels Putin Meeting Over Nuclear Threats – Bloomberg - The Moscow Times

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has backed out of an annual Russia-India summit because of Russian President Vladimir Putin's threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported Friday citing an anonymous source in the Indian government. Modi believes that drawing too much...

www.themoscowtimes.com

Xi Jinping warned Vladimir Putin against nuclear attack in Ukraine

Chinese officials privately take credit for convincing Russian leader to back down from veiled atomic threats

www.ft.com

 

[TVOLS]

Just a reminder why the blue team is invested in Ukraine against Russian aggression twice.

 

[LSU-SIU]

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Just a reminder why the blue team is invested in Ukraine against Russian aggression twice.

Or they were setup, see Congressional Record already posted. Nobody cares about those people, never did.

Georgia has some time (not lots of time) to figure out how they are going to survive, "you're either with us or against us". Georgia has choices, I can't say great choices, but they do have some.

 

[BeardedVol]

Or they were setup, see Congressional Record already posted. Nobody cares about those people, never did.

Georgia has some time (not lots of time) to figure out how they are going to survive, "you're either with us or against us". Georgia has choices, I can't say great choices, but they do have some.

Nuland was in Moscow from 1991-1993.



Color me wholly unsurprised that you didn't know this before you posted nonsense again.

 

[LouderVol]

Or they were setup, see Congressional Record already posted. Nobody cares about those people, never did.

Georgia has some time (not lots of time) to figure out how they are going to survive, "you're either with us or against us". Georgia has choices, I can't say great choices, but they do have some.

set up in what manner? How? they, Ukraine or the west, didn't do anything to cause Russian aggression.

Russia is just a bully. too insecure and weak to take care of their own problems so they take it out on others. they are the manipulative kind that beats their spouse and blames the spouse for Russia beating them when again its purely a Russia issue.

No one did anything to explain the level of Russian aggression.

 

[Vol737]

It's not, because all of them are worried about each other. Russia getting away with a nuclear release in Ukraine, would also set a precedent for their use, and no longer be deterrence.

Israel and Iran, Pakistan and India, Chin and India. All of these countries stand to lose as much as the US and EU if Russia is allowed normalize the use of nuclear weapons.

Which is why Xi and Modi as Russia's largest trading partners, have already told him to stop with the nuclear threats.

Indian PM Modi Cancels Putin Meeting Over Nuclear Threats – Bloomberg - The Moscow Times

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has backed out of an annual Russia-India summit because of Russian President Vladimir Putin's threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported Friday citing an anonymous source in the Indian government. Modi believes that drawing too much...

www.themoscowtimes.com

Xi Jinping warned Vladimir Putin against nuclear attack in Ukraine

Chinese officials privately take credit for convincing Russian leader to back down from veiled atomic threats

www.ft.com

Mmm....let's hope he is listening. Once Ukraine fires off the first salvo of ATACAMS, we will likely know.

 

[Vol737]

These guys are so loony or retarded I just had to put 2 or 3 on ignore. I mean Evil was at least just Evil and I didn't put the witch on my ignore.

Guys are out here playing 4D chess and coming up with plans to win a nuclear war.

Even the use of a tactical nuke, no matter how "contained", would likely set off mutual or more intense responses. There is no winning. None.

 

[BeardedVol]

Mmm....let's hope he is listening. Once Ukraine fires off the first salvo of ATACAMS, we will likely know.

Putin would be more likely to set off a conventional bomb on the zaporizhia nuclear plant and blame Ukraine, but even that draws the risk of pulling NATO into the conflict.

 

[LouderVol]

Mmm....let's hope he is listening. Once Ukraine fires off the first salvo of ATACAMS, we will likely know.

Ukraine has had and used other ATACAMS missiles before. you know, before Russia blew up 7 of the 4 we sent Ukraine.

nothing is changing with these missiles. Their range is a LOT less than what the drones are capable of. Moscow has been hit by multiple drone attacks, no issue. But a missile that won't even reach 1/2 way to Moscow is too much?

none of the ATACAMS warheads or missiles are rated for deploying nuclear weapons.

 

[Vol737]

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Putin would be more likely to set off a conventional bomb on the zaporizhia nuclear plant and blame Ukraine, but even that draws the risk of pulling NATO into the conflict.

Oh, I know. He's been long on red lines and short on action. The bolded would not surprise me. The Eddie Haskell style of warfare.