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#277
20-17 Record

8-15 Record-In the SEC

2-20-Career record against ranked opponets.

4-8-Road record in the SEC
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What I think these will look like at the end of the year.

Wouldn't be good but would be enough for a 4th year.:good!:
 
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GahLee said:
If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?
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I'll answer you, No; but for good or ill neither you nor I get to make that decision. However, keeping turning the pressure on by calling for the current coaches head and we will get a knee jerk reaction similar to the firing of Phil. Not to say he did not need to go, but fired with no plan of action to have a better coach in place, no damage control, and a sup-par hiring experiment that went horribly wrong and ended abruptly after 13 months leaving the state of the program lower than ever before and in fear of NCAA sanctions. The difference between the Negavols and the sunshine pumpers is that one know the history of how we got here and don't want to live thorugh it again!
 
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Boston Vol said:
Because Mike Hamilton decided saving one recruiting class was more important than conducting a coaching search correctly.
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REALLY?? If you don't have any more command and understanding than this then you should refrain from posting. Are you, with a straight face, saying that UT had several (or even one) high name recoqnition coach that was willing to take the job, but chose to save a buck? Man, this gets deeper and deeper up in here.
 
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volbreaker said:
REALLY?? If you don't have any more command and understanding than this then you should refrain from posting. Are you, with a straight face, saying that UT had several (or even one) high name recoqnition coach that was willing to take the job, but chose to save a buck? Man, this gets deeper and deeper up in here.
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Fulmer was being paid right at 2 million. Kiffin was paid right at 2 million. Dooley was hired at right at 2 million. Maybe it is just a pattern. I honestly think Hamilton was shopping for a HC for 2 million dollars. Of course that would eliminate most any coach who had a proven record as a winner. When other teams in your conference are paying their HC 5 mil/4mil or even 3/mil, 2 million will get you a loser. It just makes sense. I am pretty sure that Franklin at Vandy makes more than Tennessee pays their HC. Stew on that for a few minutes.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yet you fail to mention any other circumstances that led to that beyond his control.

A starting roster that was on par with the Vandy's and Kentucky's his first year.

A young, promising roster his second year that featured Bray and Hunter getting hurt. Lathers getting hurt. Janzen getting kicked off. In their place we start Simms/Worley, Zach Rogers, two freshman LBs, and a freshman safety.

Three senior classes that were left for him that have been awful beyond comprehension.

And 2-3 mid to late round NFL draft picks left to him.

Think that contributed at all?
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No the roster was not that bad. NFL receivers and TE , future NFL freshman at QB, ot , and wr left to him. UK and Vandy still don't have that. He get a injury pass last year because we would have won more games with TB/JH/ HL. But this year he has them all and is about the same as last year when we had major injuries . Winning 7 or 8 this year is not really an improvement.
 
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GmanTN said:
Majors a NC winning coach went 21-23-1 his first 4 years
Dooley is currently 14-16 2.5 years into his third season

Both had their work cut out for them when they were hired. Majors had the advantage because the SEC was no where near as tough as it is today and recruiting was much easier (rules have changed and become tighter now than what they were in the late 70's early 80's)

Bama can rebuild quicker due to the in state talent it produces, same for GA, FL and LSU. Look how long it took HOF'er Spurrier to rebuild SCjr and we have fans whining because DD has not restored the Vols to glory in 2.5 years. When it comes to DD I am neutral but I have been around long enough to know that rebuilding our program does not happen overnight and there is no magic bullet name coach out there interested in coming here and even if there was, the next coach won't have near the road blocks that DD has faced in rebuilding this program.

2007 was a joke being in the SEC title game, we got hammered by our 2 biggest rivals that year, why some fans are delusional over that fact is beyond me. The talent with the exception of a few players during Phils final 4 years was horrid. In 2008 Phil had Josh McNeil (a true VFL) playing and the guy was crippled from knee injuries but it was all Fulmer had. It pisses me off to this day that Fulmer allowed this kid to play knowing he was hurting the guys chances of ever recovering and living a normal pain free life. I have to give Kiffin praise for seeing the dedication of McNeil but deciding the guys health is more important than having his experience on the field. For 2 years McNeil could not practice with the team during the week just so he could play for his beloved Vols.
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Great post!
 
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Whitewolf said:
I'll answer you, No; but for good or ill neither you nor I get to make that decision. However, keeping turning the pressure on by calling for the current coaches head and we will get a knee jerk reaction similar to the firing of Phil. Not to say he did not need to go, but fired with no plan of action to have a better coach in place, no damage control, and a sup-par hiring experiment that went horribly wrong and ended abruptly after 13 months leaving the state of the program lower than ever before and in fear of NCAA sanctions. The difference between the Negavols and the sunshine pumpers is that one know the history of how we got here and don't want to live thorugh it again!
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I think Kiffin was the plan when Fulmer was fired. It just wasn't a good plan.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Was it any if at all worse or better than the Bama roster that Saban took over?
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I meant to do this yesterday, but here you go:

Shula left Saban:

John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy at QB
Glen Coffee at RB
A great OL led by Andre Smith and Antonio Caldwell (2 All Americans).

On D, he left him:
Deaderick, Washington, Arenas, Jackson, Johnson, and McClain.

That 08 and 09 team had a lot of leadership and upperclassmen on it sprinkled with his great recruits such as Julio, Ingram, etc...
 
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sjt18 said:
Nah. Let's <assume recruits are > stupid on public chat boards
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FYP. If it wasn't for folks like you (probably not you, but donors who do matter) defending Dooley, Hart would have fired him after the UK game and the program would be one year further along in rebuilding after the Dooley debacle.

We need to put this coach behind us and move forward.

This season will do that, but it's stupid to think folks are going to shut up about all this failure when others, like you, keep pumping sunshine. It's you and your kind that motivate all the negative posts.

If you want fewer negative posts, quit pumping sunshine. Any recruit worth having will be told the facts the OP posted by every other SEC coach who pursues him.

The truth is.... the truth. You can't cover that up by trying to silence anonymous posters on a sports board intended to allow people to speak.

Get over the control freak issue--and get used to reading what people think. The only way to remedy the problem is to first recognize it, and then to address it.

The problem is not negative posters, but instead negative results (see OP's post for summary). :hi:
 
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GmanTN said:
Majors a NC winning coach went 21-23-1 his first 4 years
Dooley is currently 14-16 2.5 years into his third season

Both had their work cut out for them when they were hired. Majors had the advantage because the SEC was no where near as tough as it is today and recruiting was much easier (rules have changed and become tighter now than what they were in the late 70's early 80's)

Bama can rebuild quicker due to the in state talent it produces, same for GA, FL and LSU. Look how long it took HOF'er Spurrier to rebuild SCjr and we have fans whining because DD has not restored the Vols to glory in 2.5 years. When it comes to DD I am neutral but I have been around long enough to know that rebuilding our program does not happen overnight and there is no magic bullet name coach out there interested in coming here and even if there was, the next coach won't have near the road blocks that DD has faced in rebuilding this program.

2007 was a joke being in the SEC title game, we got hammered by our 2 biggest rivals that year, why some fans are delusional over that fact is beyond me. The talent with the exception of a few players during Phils final 4 years was horrid. In 2008 Phil had Josh McNeil (a true VFL) playing and the guy was crippled from knee injuries but it was all Fulmer had. It pisses me off to this day that Fulmer allowed this kid to play knowing he was hurting the guys chances of ever recovering and living a normal pain free life. I have to give Kiffin praise for seeing the dedication of McNeil but deciding the guys health is more important than having his experience on the field. For 2 years McNeil could not practice with the team during the week just so he could play for his beloved Vols.
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How many coaches had losing records their first 70 games and turned out to be any good? How many ended up failures? I'm sure the percentage is heavily in favor of the latter.

Why is Majors the measuring stick for Dooley? Just because it helps your case? Majors wouldn't have beaten Saban either. We need a better coach than Majors.

As for the "Look how long it took HOF'er Spurrier to rebuild SCjr" comment, that's just silliness. South Carolina is a historically lousy program. They've never been on the national stage. UT is one of the top 10 winningest programs in history. They should be competing with the top teams in the SEC. They've done it for most of their history.

Also, why does everyone seem to forget that Spurrier beat both Tennessee and Florida his first year at South Carolina? Dooley hasn't accomplished anything even remotely comparable in his entire career. Spurrier has had at least one big win every year he's been at SC. Dooley has yet to even have a winning season at UT.
 
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oregonvol said:
How many coaches had losing records their first 70 games and turned out to be any good? How many ended up failures? I'm sure the percentage is heavily in favor of the latter.

None of which has anything to do with what I was saying

Why is Majors the measuring stick for Dooley? Just because it helps your case? Majors wouldn't have beaten Saban either. We need a better coach than Majors.

The last rebuild the program had prior to this one was when Majors took over, perhaps that was before your time but the time to rebuild still will be about the same.

As for the "Look how long it took HOF'er Spurrier to rebuild SCjr" comment, that's just silliness. South Carolina is a historically lousy program. They've never been on the national stage. UT is one of the top 10 winningest programs in history. They should be competing with the top teams in the SEC. They've done it for most of their history.

How many high school kids remember when TN was good, I doubt many can remember when they were 2 or 3 years old. That is what we are up against, kids coming out of high school don't remember this program being historical. We have been irrelevant for a very long time, much longer then DD as been here.

Also, why does everyone seem to forget that Spurrier beat both Tennessee and Florida his first year at South Carolina? Dooley hasn't accomplished anything even remotely comparable in his entire career. Spurrier has had at least one big win every year he's been at SC. Dooley has yet to even have a winning season at UT.
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And NC Majors had a very difficult time rebuilding TN when it was much easier, as I stated 21-23-1 his first 4 years and we were getting our ass handed to us.

Majors first year went 4-7 losses were to the following
California
Auburn
Georgia Tech
Alabama
Florida
Ole Miss
Kentucky

Next season we lost 5 and went 5-5-1
UCLA
Auburn
Alabama
Miss St
Notre Dame

In case there are some young fans that were not around, we did not play Florida every year like we do now.
 
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tvols75 said:
I meant to do this yesterday, but here you go:

Shula left Saban:

John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy at QB
Glen Coffee at RB
A great OL led by Andre Smith and Antonio Caldwell (2 All Americans).

On D, he left him:
Deaderick, Washington, Arenas, Jackson, Johnson, and McClain.

That 08 and 09 team had a lot of leadership and upperclassmen on it sprinkled with his great recruits such as Julio, Ingram, etc...
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The funny thing is, Tvols75, they will never respond to this, attempt to rebut it or even mention having seen this when they go off about the same thing on another thread. It makes me want to decleat a MoFo!!
 
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#299
utmba93 said:
FYP. If it wasn't for folks like you (probably not you, but donors who do matter) defending Dooley, Hart would have fired him after the UK game and the program would be one year further along in rebuilding after the Dooley debacle.

We need to put this coach behind us and move forward.

This season will do that, but it's stupid to think folks are going to shut up about all this failure when others, like you, keep pumping sunshine. It's you and your kind that motivate all the negative posts.

If you want fewer negative posts, quit pumping sunshine. Any recruit worth having will be told the facts the OP posted by every other SEC coach who pursues him.

The truth is.... the truth. You can't cover that up by trying to silence anonymous posters on a sports board intended to allow people to speak.

Get over the control freak issue--and get used to reading what people think. The only way to remedy the problem is to first recognize it, and then to address it.

The problem is not negative posters, but instead negative results (see OP's post for summary). :hi:
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Too funny. It doesn't matter what the subject is, your dumba$$ never ceases to amaze me. The strange thing to me is that you can, seemingly, string together a complete sentence. Cracks me UP!
 
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#300
It's all about the process, keep watering the bamboo, relentless pursuit of continuous improvement, the tax code is confusing...

There's more I'm forgetting.
 
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