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I found it to be overly sympathetic towards Koresh. There’s little question that the United States botched the raid and subsequent siege, but you can easily paint that picture without portraying Koresh himself (and some followers, to an extent; they were on the compound of their own volition) in a fairly positive light.

Other than that, though, I did enjoy the miniseries.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I found it to be overly sympathetic towards Koresh. There’s little question that the United States botched the raid and subsequent siege, but you can easily paint that picture without portraying Koresh himself (and some followers, to an extent; they were on the compound of their own volition) in a fairly positive light.

Other than that, though, I did enjoy the miniseries.
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I don’t think there was ever any doubt that Koresh was really strange, but I don’t think that was really the point. I really don’t think the series in any way ran cover for the people there. In your opinion, what did they leave out/misrepresent about the Davidians?
 
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I thought they glossed over the child abuse that was going on. Marrying off the 14 year old so he wouldn’t be brought up on charges was portrayed as some happy go lucky party.

The government absolutely did that whole siege wrong and we’re way too trigger happy, but at the same time Koresh was also leading them along then backing out, then talking about some silly manuscript.

The whole thing was sad. I also thought it was overly sympathetic to Koresh. The guy was manipulative and had dangerous delusions of grandeur. That didnt excuse what the government did, but it doesn’t need to be sugar coated either.
 
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My wife and I actually finished it last night. She cried during the last episode. My wife and I were babies during that time and didn’t know too much about it.
 
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Will check it out on my upcoming 6 day break from work. I still remember watching the breaching vehicle smash the hell out of the building then the fires starting.
 
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rjd970 said:
I thought they glossed over the child abuse that was going on. Marrying off the 14 year old so he wouldn’t be brought up on charges was portrayed as some happy go lucky party.

The government absolutely did that whole siege wrong and we’re way too trigger happy, but at the same time Koresh was also leading them along then backing out, then talking about some silly manuscript.

The whole thing was sad. I also thought it was overly sympathetic to Koresh. The guy was manipulative and had dangerous delusions of grandeur. That didnt excuse what the government did, but it doesn’t need to be sugar coated either.
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They brought up the child abuse, and that dcs went there two or three times. They never found any legal abuse, although, I think we would all agree that marrying a 14 yo would constitute abuse. Also, they made it pretty clear that the girl felt trapped in the marriage, Thibideau felt cucked, and the people who allowed it were delusional.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I found it to be overly sympathetic towards Koresh. There’s little question that the United States botched the raid and subsequent siege, but you can easily paint that picture without portraying Koresh himself (and some followers, to an extent; they were on the compound of their own volition) in a fairly positive light.

Other than that, though, I did enjoy the miniseries.
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Totally disagree. They made him look crazy, perverse, power-hungry, and selfish.
 
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bcmbvol said:
They brought up the child abuse, and that dcs went there two or three times. They never found any legal abuse, although, I think we would all agree that marrying a 14 yo would constitute abuse. Also, they made it pretty clear that the girl felt trapped in the marriage, Thibideau felt cucked, and the people who allowed it were delusional.
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The party after the marriage where everybody wanted to be the friend of the undercover agent when they all started dancing was over the top.

I get this is the poster event for government overreach, but at the same time people seem to want to gloss over what was going on in there. This is an article from 1993 talking about the support that was needed for the surviving children.

Growing Up Under Koresh: Cult Children Tell of Abuses

If this was some run-of-the-mill crazy religious fanatic that was mostly harmless, I would have a lot more sympathy. However, Koresh was a dangerous abuser, and when it comes to children being abused, I’m sorry, my sympathy meter falls flat. Koresh should and needed to be dealt with, it’s just the way the government did it was completely out of order.
 
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rjd970 said:
The last episode did. IMO the episodes leading up to that depicted him as pretty benign and caring.
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I haven't even watched the last episode yet, and I got that impression. I think it's kind of brilliant what they've done. He turns on the charm whenever the flock can see him and when he's privately dealing with the FBI or Steve and sometimes his wives, he's a manipulative a-hole. The man had two faces. You've got to in order to get people to follow you.
 
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I am in the middle of watching it right now & the series has kept my attention. I was 10 years old back in 1993 & did not fully understand the events that took place in Waco. That tragic event could have been handled so much better. I did a little bit of research besides watching the NF series and tend to feel sorry the Davidians. Some absolute carnage took place there. Koresh had some major problems & faults but damn!
 
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rjd970 said:
I thought they glossed over the child abuse that was going on. Marrying off the 14 year old so he wouldn’t be brought up on charges was portrayed as some happy go lucky party.

The government absolutely did that whole siege wrong and we’re way too trigger happy, but at the same time Koresh was also leading them along then backing out, then talking about some silly manuscript.

The whole thing was sad. I also thought it was overly sympathetic to Koresh. The guy was manipulative and had dangerous delusions of grandeur. That didnt excuse what the government did, but it doesn’t need to be sugar coated either.
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Koresh was a crazy loon and i agree he shouldnt be glamorized, but the government was WAAAYYYYYY in the wrong.

I find Randy Weaver to be a much more sympathetic figure, and Ruby Ridge and Waco are perfect examples of federal agencies playing politics over actual Constitutional authority...
 
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