Vrabel/Heupel

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golfballvol said:
IMO if we fire Heupel, he will be right back in the national championship hunt with another school, like vrabel has done since the Titans scapegoated him in 2023.

Before you negavols say he hasn’t gotten us in the championship hunt, we were there in 2024, and certainly in 2022. I believe he’ll have us there again. Both vrabel and Heupel were the best coaches the titans and vols have had in a long time. Let’s not make the same mistake Nashville did. Just my opinion.
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It will only work if he goes back Oklahoma. Vrabel is a Patriot through and through.

Also Vrabel walked into a better situation that it looked like. Not taking anything away from the turnaround but he got Drake Maye with a year under his belt and if you look at last year they had 6 games they lost by 1 score. I don't think they were as bad as their 4-13 record.

Also nobody is wanting to fire CJH, nobody with a brain at least.
 
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Exiled said:
Can you blame him?
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Let's see....coach the team that is tied for the most Super Bowl wins ever and been to the most Super Bowls (granted the vast majority of their success is the past 30 years but still).....or coach a team that has been rebuilding pretty much since 2005 with some good seasons sprinkled in?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I think many don't realize how much College Football has changed. However, the fanbase has changed expectations in a very complex way. Every year we want a National Championship and we should but the years of dynasties are long gone.

Now if you want a NC you better out bid the other guy for players, coaches and staff. Even if you do, one or two games will make a difference.

Notre Dame got a gimme which should never have happen. Should not have handed it out.

The CFP selection rests upon the whim of humans and in some cases are just punching a resume' ticket. ESPN caters their needs for viewership and $$$$$ with their bias slants as well.

The NCAA has lost control on monitoring, governing the College Athletics.

Right now we have CJH and he appears to have a long term plan but some put him on a short leash. His biggest jobs are retention, recruiting and development.
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RE: His biggest jobs are retention, recruiting and development.

And one job that he can't do by himself but has become what most consider one of, if not the most important factor....NIL money. Kiffin admitted as much when he said the separating factor from other jobs was the LSU commitment to NIL ($25 M per year). And Dan Lanning did the same when he said he wasn't interested in another job because "the grass was greener" where he is now. He wasn't talking about lawn care.
 
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Delmar said:
Josh made the tough decisions in the off season on defense that everybody said were needed. Let’s see how that goes before going crazy.
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Just like Fulmer when he hired Clawson. Hope we don't get the same result (losing season and fired coach).
 
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sechamp2012 said:
Reading all this I think UT is in the middle of the pack as player talent in this league. I’d put UGA Tx Bama A&M LSU in the top tier. UF UT OU MZ AU VN then bottom tier for rest. We lost to UGA in OT my UGA friend said Kirby coaching malfeasance misused his talent should have blown out UT. Probably true we struggled with ArkMSU & blown out by VU . With extra teams in SEC TX & OU it makes it harder to get to the SECC game I mean A& M has a SECC season but left out. So it’s different than it was in 90s with less teams then & just 3 or 4 top HCs rest terrible HCs. It’s just different world & when Vrabel got better players the results changed. Better players with a top coach or you’re gonna be an also ran. That’s why Kiffen is spending OSU money for a team to buffer his HC skills kind of like Heupel great OC but so so HC.
You got to have the best players. Auburn won the whole thing with a terrible HC as did Miami back in the day those were player led teams.
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Agree I think our talent is in the top 6, and pretty young, and JH has kept most of his recruits that he wanted to keep, so I think we've got a chance to be in the mix w/ changes and additions we've made. The field has leveled, so it really also gets down to coaching and fundamentals and eliminating mistakes....sound, fundamental football...like IU played this year. These are the things that, all else being equal, helps you win a couple close games instead of losing them, which can be the difference between getting in the playoffs or playing in the Music City Bowl.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It will only work if he goes back Oklahoma. Vrabel is a Patriot through and through.

Also Vrabel walked into a better situation that it looked like. Not taking anything away from the turnaround but he got Drake Maye with a year under his belt and if you look at last year they had 6 games they lost by 1 score. I don't think they were as bad as their 4-13 record.

Also nobody is wanting to fire CJH, nobody with a brain at least.
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Also, Vrabel took a full year off maybe a coach in waiting, but he was off limits during that year.
Vrabel had problems at Tennessee with ownership and management and that contributed to his firing. In now appears, this was an organization conflict vs a management project.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
If we lose 6 games next season the hounds of h*ll will be out for blood.
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They probably will be, but you have to give it another year in my opinion no matter how bad next year is. You have one of the best offensive minds, one of the best defensive minds, and a great new s&c coach. They need two years to gel to evaluate, because if you replace them next year, I don't see finding anyone better and you will then reset the clock yet again if you go that route. Really the improvements in my opinion that need be made from here are time management and special teams. I've seen some stupid calls from big time coaches with time management, UT made a few last year, I am guessing when emotional get high and the adrenaline kicks in, they just aren't making the choices everyone sitting at 50000 foot view seems is obvious. Hopefully they can fix that and with the new kicker we some improvement in the other area as well.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Vrabel quit on the Titans long before he got fired.
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His "quitting" was still lightyears better than anything Ran/Callahan was able to produce......

Once again, people think that Vrabel's worst seasons were somehow a debacle...... The idea that Vrabel was thought to be incapable to handle a rebuild is just an asinine stance by some.
 
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Delmar said:
I’d like to hear the names of “elite” coaches that would come to Knoxville to replace him. Be careful what you wish for. I’m sure that Auburn, Florida and Penn St fans thought that “elite” coaches would be lined up at their doorstep too. Josh made the tough decisions in the off season on defense that everybody said were needed. Let’s see how that goes before going crazy.
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There are no guarantees in coaching. Georgia had no guarantee. Indiana had no guarantee. Just like there are plenty of examples on the other side. There was no guarantee with Heupel. You either want better and chase it or you don’t.

“Elite coaches” waiting to come to UT is such a cowards argument. If that’s what we’re waiting for then Heupel can stay forever even winning 5 a year bc there will never be a line of “elite” waiting to come coach at UT.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Also, Vrabel took a full year off maybe a coach in waiting, but he was off limits during that year.
Vrabel had problems at Tennessee with ownership and management and that contributed to his firing. In now appears, this was an organization conflict vs a management project.
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I think it’s clear that Titans ownership and management is one of the worst in the NFL. Good for Vrabel getting out of that mess. I think he’s a really good coach and I’m pulling for him.
 
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knox73 said:
Vrabel is indeed an example of boneheaded management and impatience by the “Titans.”

Tennessee Volunteers football wandered for over a decade in the self-inflicted coaching wasteland between Fulmer and Heupel and most certainly will not fall victim to impatience and stupidity so soon after that debacle.
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Somewhat agree that Tenn was in a wasteland, but none, none, of the administration or top donors are still making hiring decisions.
Picking a championship coach is almost impossible. So many things have to be right. May start with the staff, then multiple injuries can hit, then no funny bounces, no weird flags from the officials, and other things. One championship coach per year out of 16 SEC coaches (I’m in minority. I want to compete in conference championship games).
Go to NC winning coaches, there is 1 out of roughly 130 teams. With playoff games in addition to regular season, all of the above scenarios are multiplied. Todays game isn’t the wasteland years. From the injury defenders, just 2 plays from being there, just learning clock management, crowd. To the he’s the HC and it’s his job to be prepared, fire him now, crowd. I see both sides actually. Its just a game that pays people lots of money. Not really a game that has my emotional ties anymore.
 
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tennrich1 said:
You nailed the “emotion” part. I guess it’s the thing I dislike most about Volnation. It’s clear so many take this thing so personally that do not possess the ability to think rationally. It’s all emotional responses(a massive sign of immaturity) I have several blocked who are completely out of bounds. However there’s a good core of posters who DO have rational and unemotional post, which I greatly appreciate!
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I agree. So many go straight to ad hominem attacks if a viewpoint they disagree with is expressed. I don't think I have ever attacked any one personally (well, except for uga fans, but they deserve it! ;))

I think Heupel is very close to his Peter Principle point, and I am doubtful at his time if he can pull his game together enough to be a top flight coach. He just strikes me as a 'sloppy' manager/coach in many respects, and his teams reflect it. This season will tell a LOT. I think he feels some heat, and his move to replace Banks with Knowles was solid and needed. Hopefully he can keep 'growing' into the job. He does strike me as a good person and a man of principle, it's just the sloppiness and lack of attention to detail that he has GOT to tighten up.

Time will tell.
 
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I hated that the Titans got rid of Vrabel as well, but this is kind of a moot point since I don’t know anyone logical who wants Heupel to be fired.
 
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golfballvol said:
IMO if we fire Heupel, he will be right back in the national championship hunt with another school, like vrabel has done since the Titans scapegoated him in 2023.

Before you negavols say he hasn’t gotten us in the championship hunt, we were there in 2024, and certainly in 2022. I believe he’ll have us there again. Both vrabel and Heupel were the best coaches the titans and vols have had in a long time. Let’s not make the same mistake Nashville did. Just my opinion.
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I'm happy for Vrabel glad he made Super Bowl... Titans suck have always sucked instead of firing coaches maybe they should look @ the GM... Go Vols!!!
 
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golfballvol said:
IMO if we fire Heupel, he will be right back in the national championship hunt with another school, like vrabel has done since the Titans scapegoated him in 2023.

Before you negavols say he hasn’t gotten us in the championship hunt, we were there in 2024, and certainly in 2022. I believe he’ll have us there again. Both vrabel and Heupel were the best coaches the titans and vols have had in a long time. Let’s not make the same mistake Nashville did. Just my opinion.
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What’s going to hurt Huepel is if LSU, Florida, and ole miss start performing at a high level right off of the bat. Honestly, I’m feeling a good year for Tennessee next year and I don’t have anything to back that up but I just do. I feel Tennessee gets into the playoffs deep.
 
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