Voters

[hog88]

Looking at the political landscape today a couple of things are obvious to me, just looking at the Republican side similarly to the way I did after the Democrats took black eyes last cycle in dissecting why.

The things Republicans won on last election cycle they haven't delivered on.

The economy is still an issue. It was an issue for Biden as well inflation remains a pain point. While tariffs haven't been the disaster many predicted they've had a negative effect toward the economy recovering IMO.

And while I think the tariffs were intended as the spark to jumpstart manufacturing and industry here that takes time and is slow developing. It may be the right strategy for longer term success (remains to be seen) but people are hurting now.

Deportations have been divisive, sending the National Guard to cities has been divisive. Those aren't winning policies except with your hardened supporters. You have to appeal to the middle undecided who are becoming but and more disillusioned with parties.

A good communicator would be going straight to the public and explaining going after hardened and wanted criminal aliens and working through normal channels to deport others seen as a net drain. Would be out front in apologizing for the prior administrations lack of enforcement etc.

The one thing Republicans are the masters of and that is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. That and shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[LouderVol]

I only read your first sentence....it's so completely off base, I couldn't read further.

LOL, avoidance. you should read the rest, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statement here vs past posts, and your claimed voting patterns.

You claim here to want third parties.
you have claimed to be anyone but Trump.
but somehow you only vote Dem. which flies in the face of your claim to want 3rd parties.

the only thing that makes the Dems viable, is that people vote for them.
the only thing that makes the Reps viable, is that people vote for them.
the only thing keeping 3rd parties from being viable, is people voting for them.

 

[luthervol]

LOL, avoidance. you should read the rest, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statement here vs past posts, and your claimed voting patterns.

You claim here to want third parties.
you have claimed to be anyone but Trump.
but somehow you only vote Dem. which flies in the face of your claim to want 3rd parties.

the only thing that makes the Dems viable, is that people vote for them.
the only thing that makes the Reps viable, is that people vote for them.
the only thing keeping 3rd parties from being viable, is people voting for them.

That's an absurd line of "reasoning".

"Anyone but trump" necessitates voting for the only viable alternative.

That's why nominating someone as horribly divisive as trump is pathetic.
Both parties should be putting forth better options.
When they don't, a third party should step forward.

 

[LouderVol]

That's an absurd line of "reasoning".

"Anyone but trump" necessitates voting for the only viable alternative.

That's why nominating someone as horribly divisive as trump is pathetic.
Both parties should be putting forth better options.
When they don't, a third party should step forward.

you only make a candidate viable by YOU voting for them. viability is 100% in the eye of the beholder, at least if you believe in the concept of how our elections work.

just like you insist that Trump isn't viable, even though he is popular, you can do the same to the Dems.

you want to see society change, by voting for third parties, but you won't partake in that effort yourself. you want everyone else to change first to meet a standard you don't hold yourself to.

its hypocritical.

 

[luthervol]

you only make a candidate viable by YOU voting for them. viability is 100% in the eye of the beholder, at least if you believe in the concept of how our elections work.

just like you insist that Trump isn't viable, even though he is popular, you can do the same to the Dems.

you want to see society change, by voting for third parties, but you won't partake in that effort yourself. you want everyone else to change first to meet a standard you don't hold yourself to.

its hypocritical.

You're simply wrong in your assessment, but further debate will lead us nowhere.

 

[BeardedVol]

you only make a candidate viable by YOU voting for them. viability is 100% in the eye of the beholder, at least if you believe in the concept of how our elections work.

just like you insist that Trump isn't viable, even though he is popular, you can do the same to the Dems.

you want to see society change, by voting for third parties, but you won't partake in that effort yourself. you want everyone else to change first to meet a standard you don't hold yourself to.

its hypocritical.

If Republicans and conservatives actually believed what they espoused when it comes to governance, law, fiscal responsibility, etc, then in spite of Trump being "popular" he'd have never been nominated the first time, much less the second after what he did on January 6th.

You can't name another democrat candidate that was elected for being a populist with a cult of personality; neither Clinton, nor Obama, nor Biden.

It's just the 'both-sidest' nonsense you tell yourself to alleviate any sense of responsibility you might feel as a citizen for Trump being president, since you claim to not have voted at all.

 

[LouderVol]

You're simply wrong in your assessment, but further debate will lead us nowhere.

simply wrong, but you can't actually refute even a single piece of it.

there is a reason it will lead US nowhere, from the start YOU have refused to even engage honestly.

 

[LouderVol]

If Republicans and conservatives actually believed what they espoused when it comes to governance, law, fiscal responsibility, etc, then in spite of Trump being "popular" he'd have never been nominated the first time, much less the second after what he did on January 6th.

You can't name another democrat candidate that was elected for being a populist with a cult of personality; neither Clinton, nor Obama, nor Biden.

It's just the 'both-sidest' nonsense you tell yourself to alleviate any sense of responsibility you might feel as a citizen for Trump being president, since you claim to not have voted at all.

Obama was elected for the same reason Trump was. well really its flipped. Trump was elected for the same reason Obama was.

he was allegedly new and different, going back to "what the party should be". both had huge cults of personality. you couldn't disagree with anything Obama did without it being labeled racist. Obama was literally just playing the race card to win the election. there are some on this board who still say there were NO scandals during his reign. What else is that beyond a cult?

both fundamentally changed what it meant to be either. and I would argue both for the worst/extremist side of their parties.