Voters

[WoodsmanVol]

I wish American voters would stop being stupid. I wish they would stop behaving as if they were sheep. And not vote a certain way simply because they are Republican or Democrat. Instead, vote in their best interests. Stop and think about what their representative does in Congress. Do they in favor of what is best for the state, or do they both what's best for corporations, big business, or who offers them the most money? There is a way to check on and track their voting records. Thereby helping you decide whether to keep them in office or boot them out. Stop being voters who are led by nothing more than cattle being led by the party nose ring.

Here are a few websites to help you be a more informed voter.
1. Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us
2. https://www.congress.gov/help/votes-in-the-house-and-senate
3. U.S. Senate: Contacting U.S. Senators
4. Congressional voting data simplified | VoteSee
5. https://historyhub.history.gov/legi...osts/how-to-find-congressional-voting-records

I don't care what party you belong to. Just make sure your representative or senator is voting in your favor and not big business' favor. Or whi is giving them kickback money for their vote. Republican or a Democrat, just stop being stupid.

 

[ButchPlz]

I wish American voters would stop being stupid. I wish they would stop behaving as if they were sheep. And not vote a certain way simply because they are Republican or Democrat. Instead, vote in their best interests. Stop and think about what their representative does in Congress. Do they in favor of what is best for the state, or do they both what's best for corporations, big business, or who offers them the most money? There is a way to check on and track their voting records. Thereby helping you decide whether to keep them in office or boot them out. Stop being voters who are led by nothing more than cattle being led by the party nose ring.

Here are a few websites to help you be a more informed voter.
1. Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us
2. https://www.congress.gov/help/votes-in-the-house-and-senate
3. U.S. Senate: Contacting U.S. Senators
4. Congressional voting data simplified | VoteSee
5. https://historyhub.history.gov/legi...osts/how-to-find-congressional-voting-records

I don't care what party you belong to. Just make sure your representative or senator is voting in your favor and not big business' favor. Or whi is giving them kickback money for their vote. Republican or a Democrat, just stop being stupid.

We can have people "vote in their best interests" when we ban people that are receiving any- and I mean any- form of government aid (subsidies, food stamps, business grants, whatever) from voting.

If I was voting for my best interests, I'd vote for whoever cut off all of that stuff, but since you can't electioneer on a platform of giving nobody anything, it ain't happening. We actually need way fewer voters.

 

[hog88]

I wish American voters would stop being stupid. I wish they would stop behaving as if they were sheep. And not vote a certain way simply because they are Republican or Democrat. Instead, vote in their best interests. Stop and think about what their representative does in Congress. Do they in favor of what is best for the state, or do they both what's best for corporations, big business, or who offers them the most money? There is a way to check on and track their voting records. Thereby helping you decide whether to keep them in office or boot them out. Stop being voters who are led by nothing more than cattle being led by the party nose ring.

Here are a few websites to help you be a more informed voter.
1. Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us
2. https://www.congress.gov/help/votes-in-the-house-and-senate
3. U.S. Senate: Contacting U.S. Senators
4. Congressional voting data simplified | VoteSee
5. https://historyhub.history.gov/legi...osts/how-to-find-congressional-voting-records

I don't care what party you belong to. Just make sure your representative or senator is voting in your favor and not big business' favor. Or whi is giving them kickback money for their vote. Republican or a Democrat, just stop being stupid.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.​

Andrew Tytler

 

[KB5252]

I wish American voters would stop being stupid. I wish they would stop behaving as if they were sheep. And not vote a certain way simply because they are Republican or Democrat. Instead, vote in their best interests. Stop and think about what their representative does in Congress. Do they in favor of what is best for the state, or do they both what's best for corporations, big business, or who offers them the most money? There is a way to check on and track their voting records. Thereby helping you decide whether to keep them in office or boot them out. Stop being voters who are led by nothing more than cattle being led by the party nose ring.

Here are a few websites to help you be a more informed voter.
1. Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us
2. https://www.congress.gov/help/votes-in-the-house-and-senate
3. U.S. Senate: Contacting U.S. Senators
4. Congressional voting data simplified | VoteSee
5. https://historyhub.history.gov/legi...osts/how-to-find-congressional-voting-records

I don't care what party you belong to. Just make sure your representative or senator is voting in your favor and not big business' favor. Or whi is giving them kickback money for their vote. Republican or a Democrat, just stop being stupid.

We must retrain ourselves as political supporters. We've allowed politicians celebrity status and treat them as such.

Never vote party, vote policy. Ignore rhetoric because that's just the tool that's used to get your vote. Hard line policy voters is what we need, screw party.

 

[ButchPlz]

We must retrain ourselves as political supporters. We've showed politicians celebrity status and test them as such.

Never vote party, vote policy. Ignore rhetoric because that's just the tool that's used to get your vote. Hard line policy voters is what we need, screw party.

How are you going to do that when it's the parties that control pretty much every facet of the elections? We can't have a third, or fourth, or whatever party here without blowing that up, because they'll always artificially limit the ability of these parties from competing. And local candidates and parties (and the media) have everyone convinced that national issues matter way more than they do locally, so all you get is a jackassed McDonald's standard version of a platform no matter where you are. There are zero unique candidates.

Look here in Virginia- we have a spook and an idiot for options for governor, and their "platforms" are predictable, milquetoast mainstream BS.

 

[KB5252]

How are you going to do that when it's the parties that control pretty much every facet of the elections? We can't have a third, or fourth, or whatever party here without blowing that up, because they'll always artificially limit the ability of these parties from competing. And local candidates and parties (and the media) have everyone convinced that national issues matter way more than they do locally, so all you get is a jackassed McDonald's standard version of a platform no matter where you are. There are zero unique candidates.

Look here in Virginia- we have a spook and an idiot for options for governor, and their "platforms" are predictable, milquetoast mainstream BS.

I didn't say it was easy, or even effective, we're going to have to retrain and shock the entire system.

 

[ButchPlz]

I didn't say it was easy, or even effective, we're going to have to retrain and shock the entire system.

I don't know that we're at a point where saving it is possible barring an absolute miracle.

Our entire government at this stage is run by foreign interests and private equity that keep democratizing stuff because they know having everything divided and run by a mass of idiots with no skin in the game is the easiest way to keep control. I don't think there's any way to put the broken glass back together.

 

[hog88]

How are you going to do that when it's the parties that control pretty much every facet of the elections? We can't have a third, or fourth, or whatever party here without blowing that up, because they'll always artificially limit the ability of these parties from competing. And local candidates and parties (and the media) have everyone convinced that national issues matter way more than they do locally, so all you get is a jackassed McDonald's standard version of a platform no matter where you are. There are zero unique candidates.

Look here in Virginia- we have a spook and an idiot for options for governor, and their "platforms" are predictable, milquetoast mainstream BS.

Spook?

 

[ButchPlz]

Spook?

Spanberger literally built her career in the CIA/law enforcement arm of the government. She's a spook (spy).

Apparently someone has also decided that "spook" is a racist term for black people, but I've never heard it used that way nor do black people get the privilege of claiming every word that exists is a racist reference to them.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

We can have people "vote in their best interests" when we ban people that are receiving any- and I mean any- form of government aid (subsidies, food stamps, business grants, whatever) from voting.

If I was voting for my best interests, I'd vote for whoever cut off all of that stuff, but since you can't electioneer on a platform of giving nobody anything, it ain't happening. We actually need way fewer voters.

Don't forget farmers and agribusinesses who annually get subsides and bailout, certain corporations who enjoy the same privileges, that would also eliminate and whole bunch of rural folks. Contrary to public perception, they are the biggest category of governmental recipients. OK, bye now.

 

[hog88]

Don't forget farmers and agribusinesses who annually get subsides and bailout, certain corporations who enjoy the same privileges, that would also eliminate and whole bunch of rural folks. Contrary to public perception, they are the biggest category of governmental recipients. OK, bye now.

Ahh yes the farm subsidies, I'm with you. Lets end all farm subsidies and the price controls that come with them. That means no SNAP, WIC and a couple other programs because they are farm subsidies.

 

[LouderVol]

How are you going to do that when it's the parties that control pretty much every facet of the elections? We can't have a third, or fourth, or whatever party here without blowing that up, because they'll always artificially limit the ability of these parties from competing. And local candidates and parties (and the media) have everyone convinced that national issues matter way more than they do locally, so all you get is a jackassed McDonald's standard version of a platform no matter where you are. There are zero unique candidates.

Look here in Virginia- we have a spook and an idiot for options for governor, and their "platforms" are predictable, milquetoast mainstream BS.

just have everyone who is ticked with the status quo all just vote for Flip a Coin 3rd party candidate.

just "give up" on the parties for one election and you will send a MASSIVE shock thru the system. I guarantee there are enough on both sides who don't feel represented by either party to make a third party possible.

half of the control the parties have is selling the lie that X candidate isn't "viable" because they aren't from Party X. its a lie, people still have the ability to vote however they want. they just prefer being lead by the nose instead of engaging in the least amount of actual free will.

 

[luthervol]

Andrew Tytler

So greed is not good?

What a concept.

Voting based on immediate impact to your wallet is stupid and shortsighted and what 80% of voters do.

 

[luthervol]

just have everyone who is ticked with the status quo all just vote for Flip a Coin 3rd party candidate.

just "give up" on the parties for one election and you will send a MASSIVE shock thru the system. I guarantee there are enough on both sides who don't feel represented by either party to make a third party possible.

half of the control the parties have is selling the lie that X candidate isn't "viable" because they aren't from Party X. its a lie, people still have the ability to vote however they want. they just prefer being lead by the nose instead of engaging in the least amount of actual free will.

The past 10 years have been the perfect time for a third party. I'm shocked, and saddened, that one has not materialized.

 

[hog88]

So greed is not good?

What a concept.

Voting based on immediate impact to your wallet is stupid and shortsighted and what 80% of voters do.

Yes greed is good.

Agreed, voting solely based on short term personal gain is stupid. Just like basing a vote on feels.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[luthervol]

Yes greed is good.

Agreed, voting solely based on short term personal gain is stupid. Just like basing a vote on feels.

A tad bit contradictory.....at least for most.

 

[hog88]

A tad bit contradictory.....at least for most.

Not in the least. What you are considering greed is in reality theft.

 

[ButchPlz]

Don't forget farmers and agribusinesses who annually get subsides and bailout, certain corporations who enjoy the same privileges, that would also eliminate and whole bunch of rural folks. Contrary to public perception, they are the biggest category of governmental recipients. OK, bye now.

Literally said those too, which is why I had subsidies first.

 

[luthervol]

Not in the least. What you are considering greed is in reality theft.

lol....
One man's greed is another man's theft....beautiful.

I'm guessing you are all equally successful in your own efforts at self justification.

 

[hog88]

lol....
One man's greed is another man's theft....beautiful.

I'm guessing you are all equally successful in your own efforts at self justification.

I can be greedy and legitimately earn everything I have and are receiving. Voting for government policies that take from others for your own benefit is theft. The two are not the same.

 

[luthervol]

I can be greedy and legitimately earn everything I have and are receiving. Voting for government policies that take from others for your own benefit is theft. The two are not the same.

I have no doubt you see it that way.

And I'm certain greed is a primary motivator for most thieves.

 

[LouderVol]

The past 10 years have been the perfect time for a third party. I'm shocked, and saddened, that one has not materialized.

you shouldn't be. you feed into the mindset that has created the current situation.

"anyone but Trump" could literally be anyone but Trump. but somehow its always "whoever the Dems put in front of me" and not any of the third party options, or voting in the general the way you do in the primaries.

more than that you have played your part in the division that allows the parties to divide us in ways that keeps us voting the way they want.

 

[luthervol]

you shouldn't be. you feed into the mindset that has created the current situation.

"anyone but Trump" could literally be anyone but Trump. but somehow its always "whoever the Dems put in front of me" and not any of the third party options, or voting in the general the way you do in the primaries.

more than that you have played your part in the division that allows the parties to divide us in ways that keeps us voting the way they want.

I only read your first sentence....it's so completely off base, I couldn't read further.

 

[KB5252]

Looking at the political landscape today a couple of things are obvious to me, just looking at the Republican side similarly to the way I did after the Democrats took black eyes last cycle in dissecting why.

The things Republicans won on last election cycle they haven't delivered on.

The economy is still an issue. It was an issue for Biden as well inflation remains a pain point. While tariffs haven't been the disaster many predicted they've had a negative effect toward the economy recovering IMO.

And while I think the tariffs were intended as the spark to jumpstart manufacturing and industry here that takes time and is slow developing. It may be the right strategy for longer term success (remains to be seen) but people are hurting now.

Deportations have been divisive, sending the National Guard to cities has been divisive. Those aren't winning policies except with your hardened supporters. You have to appeal to the middle undecided who are becoming but and more disillusioned with parties.

A good communicator would be going straight to the public and explaining going after hardened and wanted criminal aliens and working through normal channels to deport others seen as a net drain. Would be out front in apologizing for the prior administrations lack of enforcement etc.