Vols - Southern Cal Matchup?

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CaliVol said:
USC has not played a top tier SEC team this decade.
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Truth! They've played our mid-tier teams,but they haven't played our really good (even one could say great) teams from the SEC.

It's all just talk now anyway because we don't have a playoff system,but I think the SEC teams would surprise a few people,just like they did in '98,and many other teams have in the past....ie OSU beating Miami,and UF beating OSU.....ETC.
 
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CaliVol said:
Ah yes, the 2003 Auburn team that no one in his right mind can credibly argue was not grossly overrated at the beginning of the season. The 8-5 team finished unranked. I count SIX SEC teams ranked above Auburn in the final polls. Cream of the crop? Nope.

I do not disagree that USC has dominated the SEC teams it has played this decade, but you still haven't addressed my argument that USC has not played any of the top SEC teams.
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Well I am fighting a losing battle saying this stuff on a SEC board. If I woulda known that you didn't consider the 2006 SEC west champs an elite SEC team, I wouldn't have mentioned it. We will see one day though. I would have loved to see the best college D ever go up against the best college player ever. But instead of that, we got to see Florida beat a solid (not great) Oklahoma team, and USC demolish poor ol Penn St...
 
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UF got very very lucky in the NC game. They got some fluke turn overs that helped them get some momentum for the second half. Oklahoma was moving the ball very well against their D for awhile. USC-UF would have been fantasic. Just think. If they get rid of this stupid BCS crap we will see several of our dream match ups at the end of the year and crown a true champion. Congress, please fix our efeonomy and our College football championship system! Please!
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MDBJJC said:
UF got very very lucky in the NC game. They got some fluke turn overs that helped them get some momentum for the second half. Oklahoma was moving the ball very well against their D for awhile. USC-UF would have been fantasic. Just think. If they get rid of this stupid BCS crap we will see several of our dream match ups at the end of the year and crown a true champion. Congress, please fix our efeonomy and our College football championship system! Please!
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holding a 50+ point/gm team to 14 takes a little more than luck... just sayin
 
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if the Rose bowl would allow someone from another conf. other than the pack ten to play USC we might get a chance to see it happen. Would of loved to have seen a Gawja and USC match up 2 yrs ago instead of USC/Ill and UGA/Haw. I feal USC would of won but think it would have been a better game. Usc seems to me to be the best team at being prepaired for bowl games.
 
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kennyb010 said:
holding a 50+ point/gm team to 14 takes a little more than luck... just sayin
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No taking anything away from UF, but Oklahoma had any easy time going up and down the field. Turnovers in the redzone killed them. No doubt UF deserved the Championship, but the chips landed on their side too.
 
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memtownvol said:
if the Rose bowl would allow someone from another conf. other than the pack ten to play USC we might get a chance to see it happen. Would of loved to have seen a Gawja and USC match up 2 yrs ago instead of USC/Ill and UGA/Haw. I feal USC would of won but think it would have been a better game. Usc seems to me to be the best team at being prepaired for bowl games.
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Agreed. We could have seen some dream matches this year too: USC-Texas rematch in Pasadena, USC-Bama, Texas-Bama. Wait a sec. Utah killed the SEC west champs. Nevermind...
 
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Lord Vader said:
Well I am fighting a losing battle saying this stuff on a SEC board. If I woulda known that you didn't consider the 2006 SEC west champs an elite SEC team, I wouldn't have mentioned it. We will see one day though. I would have loved to see the best college D ever go up against the best college player ever. But instead of that, we got to see Florida beat a solid (not great) Oklahoma team, and USC demolish poor ol Penn St...
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Again, the 2006 Arkansas team was not a great team. If LSU hasn't lost a 7-3 squeaker to Auburn (at Auburn) that year, LSU would've represented the SEC west in the championship game with a head-to-head win over Arkansas (at Arkansas). Arkansas lost its last 3 games of the season, including its bowl. The Razorbacks were exposed for the soft team that they were towards the end of the season.

In any event, being the "division champ" in the SEC does not necessary mean you are one of the top 2 teams in the conference. For example, in any given year, the top 2 teams could both be in one division. Or you could have a situation like 2007 when Tennessee was the SEC East champ. While I'm not one of these people, most folks believed that LSU and UGA were the 2 best SEC teams that year.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Agreed. We could have seen some dream matches this year too: USC-Texas rematch in Pasadena, USC-Bama, Texas-Bama. Wait a sec. Utah killed the SEC west champs. Nevermind...
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IMHO Utah was a much better team than most people thought going into the Sugar bowl. I think they could have given almost any of the other BCS bowl teams a good game and might have beat any of them with the performace they turned in against Bama.
 
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Lord Vader said:
You mean like taking the eventual champs down to the wire in the SEC championship game and blowing UT off the field in November?
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Yeah, they were soft. If you actually recall the 2006 SEC Championship game, it was a 10 point Florida win. Not really taking it down to the wire.

Blowing UT off the field with an overrated back-up QB (Crompton in his second real game). Yeah, Arkansas was awesome!!!

Again, Arkansas didn't finish close to the top 10 in either poll. You have lost this argument.
 
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CaliVol said:
Yeah, they were soft. If you actually recall the 2006 SEC Championship game, it was a 10 point Florida win. Not really taking it down to the wire.

Blowing UT off the field with an overrated back-up QB (Crompton in his second real game). Yeah, Arkansas was awesome!!!

Again, Arkansas didn't finish close to the top 10 in either poll. You have lost this argument.
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I remember all of the 2006 SEC championship. If you think that game wasn't close, you have lost your mind. UT fielded the same team against LSU as they did against Arkansas and the Vols had a 10 point lead on the Tigers in the 2nd half. Does that mean Arkansas was better than LSU? Either way, Florida beat Arkansas on a neutral site by 10 and USC beat Arkansas in Fayettville by 36. I don't really know how I could have lost the argument cuz there isn't one. USC has embarassed every team from the SEC that they have played since 2002. Your just trying to turn your opinion into fact cuz you are a SEC homer, but the numbers don't lie. Jealousy is never good. I like watching all of CFB, just not one conference...
 
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Lord Vader said:
I remember all of the 2006 SEC championship. If you think that game wasn't close, you have lost your mind. UT fielded the same team against LSU as they did against Arkansas and the Vols had a 10 point lead on the Tigers at one point. Does that mean Arkansas was better than LSU? Either way, Florida beat Arkansas on a neutral site by 10 and USC beat Arkansas in Fayetville by 36. I don't really know how I could have lost the argument cuz there isn't one. USC has embarassed every team from the SEC that they have played since 2002. Your just trying to turn your opinion into fact cuz you are a SEC homer, but the numbers don't lie. Jealousy is never good. I like watching all of CFB, just not one conference...
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USC is an incredible program and even if they were to play in the SEC week in and week out they would be favorites to win every year. USC has owned the PAC 10 and they have owned Arkansas and Auburn. They would have owned us too if we had played them recently. :cray:
 
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memtownvol said:
IMHO Utah was a much better team than most people thought going into the Sugar bowl. I think they could have given almost any of the other BCS bowl teams a good game and might have beat any of them with the performace they turned in against Bama.
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You may be right. I just remember everybody wasn't giving the Utes any chance cuz there was no way they could beat a 1-loss Alabama from the big bad SEC. A playoff solves all the problems...
 
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Utes were damn impressive. It was absolute domination. I was floored by their performance. Teams like Utah and Boise really make the justification of keeping the BCS system difficult. Trash the BCS, add a playoff system, and it will be more exciting than anything we have ever seen in college football. Could you imagine set ups like a final four where you had Big 12 champion playing Pac 10 champion, SEC champion versus the dark horse BYU/Boise/whoever. Would be unbelievable.
 
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MDBJJC said:
Utes were damn impressive. It was absolute domination. I was floored by their performance. Teams like Utah and Boise really make the justification of keeping the BCS system difficult. Trash the BCS, add a playoff system, and it will be more exciting than anything we have ever seen in college football. Could you imagine set ups like a final four where you had Big 12 champion playing Pac 10 champion, SEC champion versus the dark horse BYU/Boise/whoever. Would be unbelievable.
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Dream scenario. Just think if they used the BCS bowl games as a 1st round (no VT). That would leave you with the winner of Florida-Utah playing the winner of USC-Texas...

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about my opinion of USC. They are the ONLY team in America that I feel this way about. They have just been on a different level than everyone else in CFB...
 
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Lord Vader said:
I remember all of the 2006 SEC championship. If you think that game wasn't close, you have lost your mind. UT fielded the same team against LSU as they did against Arkansas and the Vols had a 10 point lead on the Tigers in the 2nd half. Does that mean Arkansas was better than LSU? Either way, Florida beat Arkansas on a neutral site by 10 and USC beat Arkansas in Fayettville by 36. I don't really know how I could have lost the argument cuz there isn't one. USC has embarassed every team from the SEC that they have played since 2002. Your just trying to turn your opinion into fact cuz you are a SEC homer, but the numbers don't lie. Jealousy is never good. I like watching all of CFB, just not one conference...
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My argument is that USC has not played an elite SEC team this decade, and you have not made anything near a convincing argument to refute that. You might want to try reading. I have never said that USC has not been dominant the past few years.

Also, with respect to the SEC homer comment, I'm a VOLS fan but appreciate good football in all conferences. In fact, I went to 2 different Pac-10 schools (each of which have beaten the "mighty" Trojans in the past few years) for undergrad/grad school, and I cheer for those teams whenever they're not playing the VOLS (most games). I watch more Pac-10/Big-10/Big 12 games than SEC because the SEC's television coverage isn't that great on the west coast, where I've lived for the past 15 years.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Dream scenario. Just think if they used the BCS bowl games as a 1st round (no VT). That would leave you with the winner of Florida-Utah playing the winner of USC-Texas...
I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about my opinion of USC. They are the ONLY team in America that I feel this way about. They have just been on a different level than everyone else in CFB...
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:rock: Very much a dream scenario... I myself would LOVE it.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Dream scenario. Just think if they used the BCS bowl games as a 1st round (no VT). That would leave you with the winner of Florida-Utah playing the winner of USC-Texas...

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about my opinion of USC. They are the ONLY team in America that I feel this way about. They have just been on a different level than everyone else in CFB...
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I agree about USC being an amazing program this decade. My opinion is that they have been by far the best since Pete Carroll started up there. Florida and then LSU would be a close battle for second. Florida since Urban Meyer has arrived would be a likely choice, but Pete's team has been at the top for longer giving them the edge.

Can't even tip my hat to Ohio State. Big 10 has been weak this decade and they cruise into BCS/NC games and get owned by the SEC. Tressel is a good coach and great recruiter, but THE Ohio State choke in the big game (save the one game against Miami, now that was a great game)
 
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MDBJJC said:
Tressel is a good coach and great recruiter, but THE Ohio State choke in the big game (save the one game against Miami, now that was a great game)
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They cheated Miami BIG TIME in that game. I remember looking in an ESPN magazine at that pass interfence call against the Canes. It was a series of 7 or 8 pictures that showed that the Cane defender NEVER touched the Buckeye WR and that call should have never been made. But instead, the ref throws the flag and the rest is history...
 
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