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Volunteers & Trojans On The College Football Horizon? | Bleacher Report

Whenever there’s a connection between an athletic department and USC, there’s always a strong possibility that the Trojans will meet that program in the future.

Lane Kiffin went from an assistant on the Southern California sidelines, to the Oakland Raiders, before landing as the new head coach in Tennessee.

Judging by the patterns of history, this should place the Trojans and Volunteers on the college football horizon.

But history also shows a game of dodge ball, with the programs passing one another en route to other nearby locations.

Tennessee has made several trips out west, including six visits to California in the past 20 years. The result has been a 3-3 split in the Golden State, including back-to-back defeats by Cal and UCLA in ‘07 and ‘08.

However, the lengthy trips always danced around the Pac 10 juggernaut and most storied program in state. In fact, the Volunteers and Trojans haven’t met since 1981, when Tennessee suffered a 43-7 drubbing in the Los Angeles Coliseum, netting the Vols an all time record of 0-4 in games against USC.

USC, likewise, made plenty of appearances in SEC territory, but have no recent contact with Tennessee.

The Trojans’ last SEC road victory was the 50-14 destruction of Arkansas in 2005, which followed the 2003 shutout of Auburn in Jordan-Hare.

The last Southeastern defeat was handed to the Trojans by LSU in 1984, in a game played in the Los Angeles Coliseum. That game followed the Trojans’ last SEC road loss*, suffered in Columbia, South Carolina in 1983.

The Volunteers are a program that sank to historic lows in 2008, and the most recent scheduling of Tennessee-Martin (FCS) gives more evidence of the program’s decline.

When Tennessee opens in 2010 against UTM, it will mark the first time in 27 years that they will take to the field against a lower division opponent. In that same season, they also host Oregon, displaying Pac 10 continuity.

In Tennessee, visits to the Pacific Time zone are nothing more than program marketing. They establish themselves to an otherwise outside audience, and fish the waters for future recruits.

Past trips have reeled in three quarterbacks, gaining a pair of Clausens from Southern California, and Erik Ainge from Oregon.

Pete Carroll does the same, also taking his program on the national football tour, and in doing so, he’s pulled players like Keith Rivers, Patrick Turner, and Joe McKnight from the south.

Also, let’s not forget the transfer of Mitch Mustain and Damian Williams from Arkansas, after the Trojans appeared on the Razorbacks schedule in 2004 and 2005.

It’s the same ideology, with each reaping the same benefits, so why not get these two programs on the same field?

Of course, let’s allow a slumping Tennessee program to get back on its feet. Once the reconstruction is complete, with a Carroll and Kiffin connection, I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t or can’t be done.
 
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i understand where we are right now in the grand scheme of things, but this portrays our scheduling as "dodging" SC. i think it's trying to make something of nothing.....

if they play some time down the road, fine. but it's not like we're dodging teams, nor do i think SC is. i think over time both programs have proved they are ready and willing to play other BCS conf. teams in a home and home.

SC has visited Auburn, ARK, VA, OSU et al....and likewise, we've had on going series' with ND, UCLA, Cal and have OK, NE, NCSU, UNC, ORE, OSU etc....in the future.

the way this is protrayed is that if we don't play USC, we're not scheduling right, which i obvsiously don't agree with. I think both programs can get what they want accomplished w/out scheduling that game, and intimating that they can't, specifically Tennessee, is just flat out wrong.
 
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i understand where we are right now in the grand scheme of things, but this portrays our scheduling as "dodging" SC. i think it's trying to make something of nothing.....

if they play some time down the road, fine. but it's not like we're dodging teams, nor do i think SC is. i think over time both programs have proved they are ready and willing to play other BCS conf. teams in a home and home.

SC has visited Auburn, ARK, VA, OSU et al....and likewise, we've had on going series' with ND, UCLA, Cal and have OK, NE, NCSU, UNC, ORE, OSU etc....in the future.

the way this is protrayed is that if we don't play USC, we're not scheduling right, which i obvsiously don't agree with. I think both programs can get what they want accomplished w/out scheduling that game, and intimating that they can't, specifically Tennessee, is just flat out wrong.
USC hasn't rolled its show into Gainesville or LSU lately either, nor did they find Knoxville in the 90s.
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I think this is a perfect example of a reporter with nothing to report. I personally like the UTM matchup next year. And to say this is a cop-out game, maybe someone should show this writer the score from App St. and Mich?
 
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USC hasn't rolled its show into Gainesville or LSU lately either, nor did they find Knoxville in the 90s.
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exactly. there's simply nothing to it. it's not like we were sitting around trying to find ways to avoid playing USC, and i'd say the same is probably true about them playing us.

it's a ridiculous notion.
 
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I think this is a perfect example of a reporter with nothing to report. I personally like the UTM matchup next year. And to say this is a cop-out game, maybe someone should show this writer the score from App St. and Mich?
it's a cop out game. well not really. but there's a reason we haven't played a 1aa team in 27 years. and i think they only reason they did it next year was they couldn't find anyone else, and i think Kiffin wanted a game like that early on in year two.

if history is an indicator, i don't see that being the norm going forward.
 
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I would love to see this happen. It would be great national exposure b/c by the time it happens, Kiffin will have it rolling here in Knoxville and it would a top 10 match-up.
 
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The fact is, playing a "light" schedule has not hurt teams who eventually played for the National Championship. At the end of the day, it is all about Ws and Ls. Haven't we seen that?
 
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USC hasn't rolled its show into Gainesville or LSU lately either, nor did they find Knoxville in the 90s.
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The Gators wouldn't schedule them...It would mean UF would have to leave its own state to play them in a home and home matchup and lord knows they would never agree to anything like that. :glare:
 
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i understand where we are right now in the grand scheme of things, but this portrays our scheduling as "dodging" SC. i think it's trying to make something of nothing.....

if they play some time down the road, fine. but it's not like we're dodging teams, nor do i think SC is. i think over time both programs have proved they are ready and willing to play other BCS conf. teams in a home and home.

SC has visited Auburn, ARK, VA, OSU et al....and likewise, we've had on going series' with ND, UCLA, Cal and have OK, NE, NCSU, UNC, ORE, OSU etc....in the future.

the way this is protrayed is that if we don't play USC, we're not scheduling right, which i obvsiously don't agree with. I think both programs can get what they want accomplished w/out scheduling that game, and intimating that they can't, specifically Tennessee, is just flat out wrong.

Agree 100%. USC has been "dodging" Florida and LSU in scheduling other SEC teams this decade. The writer is definitely biased and trying to stir the pot.
 
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well, i dont' think SC is dodging anyone either. they are about to complete their portion of a home and home wtih OSU. they've come to the ACC and SEC in the past.

but that's not my gripe, as much as it is his implication that unless these two meet up, then they are "dodging" one another. which i just find......ridiculous.
 
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So is this an article about a possible mathup or an article trying to dog UT. Thought it was good until the end. USC would have many SEC losses if they played any of us in the 90's. They sucked.

Plus they tried to downgrade our schedule for next year, what about freakin Florida playing pansies for years. Citadel and so forth and Auburn as well. UT has played UCLA, Cal, Miami and many others. The writer can suck it
 
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So is this an article about a possible mathup or an article trying to dog UT. Thought it was good until the end. USC would have many SEC losses if they played any of us in the 90's. They sucked.

Plus they tried to downgrade our schedule for next year, what about freakin Florida playing pansies for years. Citadel and so forth and Auburn as well. UT has played UCLA, Cal, Miami and many others. The writer can suck it
outside of Tennessee, Florida and Bama, who else was a power in the SEC inthe 90's? you had 3 really good programs and 9 fairly mediocre ones. granted SC wasn't what they are today, and probably would have struggled back then.

but today's SC would probably still win more than they lose in today's SEC landscape.
 
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I think this is a perfect example of a reporter with nothing to report. I personally like the UTM matchup next year. And to say this is a cop-out game, maybe someone should show this writer the score from App St. and Mich?

Or the Gators first 2 games of the season every year before they play us!
 
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I would just like to say that there was absolutely no reason to write this article. It's speculation about the possibility of speculation.
 
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USC hasn't rolled its show into Gainesville or LSU lately either, nor did they find Knoxville in the 90s.
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I would love to see Myles take the Tigers to the Colliseum and watch USC smack them around a little bit. USC has a problem of not showing up against teams that are not on their level and who they cannot "get up" for (Oregon State, UCLA, Stanford), but when they get in a bowl game or in a big time game with an opponent who they feel is a threat to them, they have a tendency to embarass them (Texas is the ONLY exception). Imo USC was the best team in the land this year, but this is not the time nor the place for that argument. But I am 100% sure the Gators are glad that they played the Sooners and not the Trojans. Tebow is awesome but that USC Defense (statistically the best D ever) is scary for anyone to line up against: Fili Moala, Kyle Moore, Brian Cushing, Rey Maualuga, Clay Matthews, Cary Harris, Taylor Mays, Kevin Ellison. Wasn't this past year something like the 7th or 8th straight year that USC has ended the year being ranked in the top 5?
 
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The fact is, playing a "light" schedule has not hurt teams who eventually played for the National Championship. At the end of the day, it is all about Ws and Ls. Haven't we seen that?

wasn't it the case that it played a role in keeping Auburn from the title game in 2004? Sure, they were 3rd in the human polls, but the computers were a bigger factor back then.

I recall something about their SOS hurting them because of a weak non-conf, and even a single game (involving Bowling Green, which had a good season, getting cancelled & replaced with a weaker team) would have put them up in the computer rankings & made enough difference to put them in the game. And I think that was when SOS was a separate factor in the computer rankings. Does anyone else recall this?

I personally like to see schools playing weak non-conference schedules get penalized in the polls. I think it's a cheap & cynical way of getting more Ws. I pray UT doesn't take this path. If you want to be a big boy, you need to play the big boys outside your conference. I think we had decent schedules under Fulmer, but I'd still like to have seen us play stronger non-conf schedules than we have. It's like we had 1 good out-of-conference game each year, along with a couple/few mediocre teams we're expected to paste. Going by Sagarin ratings, I'd like to see all non-conf games scheduled against teams that finish in the top 70 or so year-in year-out.

Some SEC schools' non-conference schedules are an embarrasment to the league. I don't buy the "well, we play in the tough SEC" argument. It's a load. I admire Carroll for doing that -- always schedules all BCS schools for non-conf. Gotta respect the man & the school for that.
 
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Hey CaliVol florida was lucky to beat oklahoma last year I will crack up if you say florida can beat USC. Well in LSU's case they have not got a chance.
 
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